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Featured Brahman and Monotheism

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by IndigoChild5559, Mar 19, 2020.

  1. Terry Sampson

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    There never was a moment in which the universe, as a whole, did not exist. And there is never a subset of time greater than an instant in which it remains precisely, exactly the same.
    The ancient Greek, Heraclitus, wrote something like"You cannot step into the same stream twice." To paraphrase him, I say: "You cannot step into the same universe twice."
     
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    Now that I think about it, that's an inept/inapt paraphrase. We are never "out of the universe; ergo stepping into one once is an impossibility, equally so, stepping into the same universe twice. Instead, I suppose, I should say: no one is in a universe for more than an instant, because the universe is always undergoing change. Any "sameness", I suspect, is illusion: Maya, no?
     
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  3. TravisJC

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    I worship Lord Shiv as Brahman himself. Lord Shiv is the formless face of the supreme being and his Shakti acts as the power in which created all things. Most Hindus do not hold this to be true because Lord Shiva could possibly be someones chosen deity (ishtaDeva) or simply another face to Brahman. Lord Shiv and his Shakti are inseparable, they are one, even if at first glance they seem to be two separate power, entities, being etc.

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  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah, 'Change is the only constant'. IMV, it is an inherent property of Brahman.
    'I', which thinks it is constant, is an illusion. You seem to be getting it right. :D
     
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  5. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Fascinating all these varieties. It's a wonder that Hindus get along with each other.
     
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  6. TravisJC

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    And oh the varieties! :eek:

    As a westerner growing up in a strict Catholic house Hinduism definitely turned my world upside down when I started my journey. I am of the Saivite sect of Hinduism, which makes up a fair amount percentage. Hinduism is a very broad umbrella encompassing a billion plus people with different regional and family beliefs. Hinduism can be very liberal religion where one's own beliefs stray away from the mainstream; however, are not dismissed. I emphasize can, because like any religion you do have orthodoxy and strict religious schools, people, etc.

    Good day.
     
  7. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Maybe the reason Hindus get along now, is they see the ancient battles over religious values in the religious texts; they then see ultimately at Mahapralaya (the Dissolution), everything will become Brahman again, and then it will be recreated.

    Therefore only those who are One with Brahman shall remain; being all argumentative over factions, only leads to less clarity of Oneness.

    In Ancient Middle Eastern culture before Abrahamic monotheism (Islam) removed the rest, each of the different Tribes had different forms of religion, with many forms of Henotheism, Polytheism, etc.

    Between the promise made by the Lord to remove the fake religions by his messenger Yehoshua (Exodus 23:20-23 - Joshua 3:10), and Muhammad continuing this under Islam, we now no longer have many forms of religion in the Middle East.

    Muhammad tried to fix the religion by getting people to acknowledge the Source (Allah) is beyond form, and is therefore the only thing worthy of worship.

    Since Rabbinic Judaism still follows a form of Henotheism: where Yahavah Elohim is a Divine Being, who became Yeshua Elohim (Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, etc), and then King Zion Elohim (Isaiah 52:7); they have misunderstood turning any of the Divine Council into a Godhead is a form of idolatry - where we should only worship the Source, like Hinduism teaches about Brahman compared to Avatars.

    Brahman is ultimately what every studied Hindu worships, regardless of branch; yet every studied Abrahamic is left confused by bad Rabbinic Jewish analysis, because they refuse to acknowledge the God Most High (El Elyon) is superior to Divine Beings (Elohim - Isaiah 46:9 = Deuteronomy 32:7-9).

    Ultimately according to the Curse of Moses, everyone who doesn't get this will be removed by quantum fire, for not recognizing the differences between El and Elohim at Judgement Day (Mahapralaya - Deuteronomy 32:17-22).

    Due to bad language comprehension will translate Deuteronomy, to make it a bit clearer what it should say:

    Deuteronomy 32:17-18 They've sacrificed to Shades, not to a Divine Being; to Divine Beings that they didn’t know, to new ideas that came up recently, which your fathers didn’t dread. (18) Of the 'Rock' who became your father ('Yeshua' - Deuteronomy 32:15), you are unmindful, and have forgotten the Source who manifests you.

    The idea Rabbinically educated Jews would think other religions fight, is because the Rabbi argue so much; other religions dialogue to find the ultimate understanding between us, which is called Satsang - which is to sit in good company to remove all fallacies (Neti-Neti), and then come to ultimate truths.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    99% of the time. That's because tolerance for others is a basic tenet that's reinforced in scripture, by actions, and more. If there is disagreement, it's often outside the faith itself. and over silly things like regional differences or whose mother tongue is superiour.
     
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    I wonder how one can cobine the thing and its reverse. like Northern and southern poles of a magnet
     
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    Two captains in one boat would lead to its sinking (Say: if there would be two Gods, The universe will be in disarray)
     
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  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    That is because you do not know about Hinduism. Atheism in Hinduism is as old as Hinduism itself. See this:
    Hindu atheism - Wikipedia

    (Note: The page mentions Osho. Osho was a Jain and not a Hindu).
    Why? They are not aggressive, jealous, blood-thirsty, vengeful Abrahamic Gods who would not tolerate each other. They are Hindu Gods and Goddesses, at peace with each other.

    Shiva and Krishna
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    Like my friend @Aupmanyav stated, the gods/goddesses of Hinduism each respect one's role. I understand your metaphor completely and understand that the Quran clearly states that Allah has no offspring, partner, helper, etc; however, I couldn't agree with you more. I believe that the 'captain' of this boat is Lord Shiv i.e. Brahman (supreme being) and the gods/goddesses of Hinduism are under his control. Hinduism is soooo vast and complex that the belief as Lord Shiv as Brahman is NOT widely accepted as the truth. Even with that being said, I still consider myself a Hindu and so would the next even if their beliefs don't align with mine completely.
     
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    I would not worry about "others" too much - turn to the Scripture - it says

    Sivasya hridayam vishnur-vishnoscha hridayam sivah

    Vishnu is the heart of Siva and likewise Siva is the heart of Vishnu

    IMO - they are both representations of Brahman - each in their own way
    And of course - the two forms are combined in the deity Harihara

    Do what your heart tells you is true and follow that path - if you have chosen Shiva as your deity - more power - I would not bother with comparisons and one-upmanship - in Hinduism - it is not worth much
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    :) Welcome, Maya. Gods are malevolent to the enemies of their devotees and most loving to their devotees. Mother Kali is one example, though I am a strong atheist.
     
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    Thanks for the explanation, but complexity in a religion is against souls of divine religions. Religions need to be simpler to understand and follow
     
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    Space-time-objects appear and disappear in brahman. Space-time is in brahman and not the other way around. This is the most crucial learning. Conscious deep sleep (called samadhi) is the non-dual brahman.
     
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  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    You mean people should always remain in kindergarten, not go for higher studies? ;)
     
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    Energy is a property. It's carried by something. Isn't it also part of maya?
     
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    Saguna Brahman, I guess, but I don't know.
     
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    Religion, like physics, is what it is. It reflects reality, ie: objective truth. If something 's complex it needs to be portrayed as such.
     
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