"Born of water" - meaning what exactly?

[Triumph]

You have such a happy outlook. Now I know why Scriptures say that strong drink is for the perishing. You probably need a strong drink. As for Daniel 2:45, it already describes the head of gold as Nebachadnezzar, the breast of silver being Persia, the thighs of bronze being Greece, and then the legs of iron would turn out to be Rome, and the recently Rome and the Ottomans being a mix of iron and clay, which was initially crushed at the battle of Megiddo in the year 1918, when the British empire crushed Germany and the Ottomans at the valley of Har-Mageddon. They and the others still have to be crushed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35). As for the 8th head of the beast, it will be one that was and is not, at the time of the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11), which is to say, it was, and is not in existence at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast who has 10 horns who will assume power for an hour. To understand the 8th head of the beast, you will have to understand the 5th head of the beast, "who was and is not". That would be the Roman emperor Caesar, who is now represented by Czar (Caesar) Putin, and represented in the 1st world war as Kaisar (Caesar) Wilhelm, the emperor of Germany. They will all be sold into the hands of the sons and daughters of Judah (Joel 3:8), after they are all crushed together at the same time. Except for a hint of Islam, I still can't figure out the "Christian" sect you belong too.

Interesting but wrong! Prophecy about the end of days war did not culminate in the past.
The Beast is nuclear world war. World war 2 was but that wound of atomic assault was healed by Peace and is not. And yet it is again when nuclear WW3 breaks out. Horns are nations that are in alliance to fight for a Head nation. WW3 will be fought in 2 theaters like WW2 was and over completely different reasons like WW2.
WW3= the Beast is war over religion, & the Sea Beast is war with China over the rights to the South China Sea. Same nuclear world war fought over 2 different reasons.

 

[Triumph]

You have such a happy outlook. Now I know why Scriptures say that strong drink is for the perishing. You probably need a strong drink. As for Daniel 2:45, it already describes the head of gold as Nebachadnezzar, the breast of silver being Persia, the thighs of bronze being Greece, and then the legs of iron would turn out to be Rome, and the recently Rome and the Ottomans being a mix of iron and clay, which was initially crushed at the battle of Megiddo in the year 1918, when the British empire crushed Germany and the Ottomans at the valley of Har-Mageddon. They and the others still have to be crushed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35). As for the 8th head of the beast, it will be one that was and is not, at the time of the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11), which is to say, it was, and is not in existence at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast who has 10 horns who will assume power for an hour. To understand the 8th head of the beast, you will have to understand the 5th head of the beast, "who was and is not". That would be the Roman emperor Caesar, who is now represented by Czar (Caesar) Putin, and represented in the 1st world war as Kaisar (Caesar) Wilhelm, the emperor of Germany. They will all be sold into the hands of the sons and daughters of Judah (Joel 3:8), after they are all crushed together at the same time. Except for a hint of Islam, I still can't figure out the "Christian" sect you belong too.

The 8th Head is WAR itself and War wins WW3 because everything fought to gain is destroyed by the thermonuclear war. Man fights with a weapon he can not control the results of using and every king/ruler of every nation will bend the knee to radiation circling the globe unable to stop it or control it as it pollutes all water, crops and animals.
Understand Jesus does not lie and he said there is an end of days on this planet. The Earth remains but all life on it passes away in a vast nuclear ice age extinction.
When the oceans finally thaw all the nuclear power plants around the world are in self sustaining fission meltdown releasing radiation around the globe. God will rest because man turned this Eden into a Hell in which no biological life can live. There have been extinction events on this planet in the past but the one soon to happen as the result of WW3 is the last one.

 

[2ndpillar]

The 8th Head is WAR itself and War wins WW3 because everything fought to gain is destroyed by the thermonuclear war. Man fights with a weapon he can not control the results of using and every king/ruler of every nation will bend the knee to radiation circling the globe unable to stop it or control it as it pollutes all water, crops and animals.
Understand Jesus does not lie and he said there is an end of days on this planet. The Earth remains but all life on it passes away in a vast nuclear ice age extinction.
When the oceans finally thaw all the nuclear power plants around the world are in self sustaining fission meltdown releasing radiation around the globe. God will rest because man turned this Eden into a Hell in which no biological life can live. There have been extinction events on this planet in the past but the one soon to happen as the result of WW3 is the last one.

Yeshua's message per the "end of the age", per Matthew 13:39, was the "angels" would come and gather out the tares, the wicked, and toss them into the furnace of fire, whereas the wheat, "the righteous, will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father", or according to Matthew 13:30 would be gathered into the barn. Your "end of time", "the end", with respect to Scripture, per Daniel 12, is with respect to when the righteous will come out of their rest/grave, and "rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age", which would be the end of this age, and the beginning of the millennium (Revelation 20:4).

 

[2ndpillar]

Interesting but wrong! Prophecy about the end of days war did not culminate in the past.
The Beast is nuclear world war. World war 2 was but that wound of atomic assault was healed by Peace and is not. And yet it is again when nuclear WW3 breaks out. Horns are nations that are in alliance to fight for a Head nation. WW3 will be fought in 2 theaters like WW2 was and over completely different reasons like WW2.
WW3= the Beast is war over religion, & the Sea Beast is war with China over the rights to the South China Sea. Same nuclear world war fought over 2 different reasons.

The "end" is still in the future. The run up to the "end" included the crushing of Babylon, of Persia, the Greeks, and in the present time, the crushing of Rome/Russia/Germany, and the clay, the Ottomans, which is to be followed by the crushing of all of them at the same time (Daniel 2:35). Russia and China are paper tigers with nukes. The diminutive Ukraine is feeding Russia her lunch, and Taiwan would do the same to China. The seas between China and Japan and Taiwan are full of the dead armies who tried to cross. The Chinese air force has planes which have to choose between fuel or bombs, because they do not have the power for both. Their army is made up of princelings, who are unable to fight. Russia is all bluster. They have very good tank and aircraft designs, but no money to actually produce them, or get them certified.

 

[Triumph]

Yeshua's message per the "end of the age", per Matthew 13:39, was the "angels" would come and gather out the tares, the wicked, and toss them into the furnace of fire, whereas the wheat, "the righteous, will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father", or according to Matthew 13:30 would be gathered into the barn. Your "end of time", "the end", with respect to Scripture, per Daniel 12, is with respect to when the righteous will come out of their rest/grave, and "rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age", which would be the end of this age, and the beginning of the millennium (Revelation 20:4).

. The day of Judgement is the day WW3 breaks out with men around the world judging if a person has the right to life or not.
Tares are people that refuse to forgive trespasses against them and want to kill people for those trespasses because they consider themselves righteous but the other side, their enemy they refuse to love with mercy and compassion considering them the tare that needs to die.
Jesus said "love your enemy" so no war happens. Jesus is not a "tare reaper" and wants to save all people, the entire world from the final man made nuclear world war.

People want to make the "kingdom of Heaven" into a fairy tale. God said in Genesis 1 that heaven is the place birds fly. Heaven is the sky above your head. That kingdom is taken by force when fighter jets= messengers=angels fly in it. The parable is demonstrating people will refuse to love their enemy or forgive trespasses against them and they will demand war (refusing to obey the commandment of God to not kill), to be dominate over other people by destroying them. A nuclear blast will shine like the sun also created of nuclear fusion and the kingdom of their Father is the Kingdom of War in the sky=heaven where the pilots are in service to War as killers launching nuclear missiles.

 

[Triumph]

The "end" is still in the future. The run up to the "end" included the crushing of Babylon, of Persia, the Greeks, and in the present time, the crushing of Rome/Russia/Germany, and the clay, the Ottomans, which is to be followed by the crushing of all of them at the same time (Daniel 2:35). Russia and China are paper tigers with nukes. The diminutive Ukraine is feeding Russia her lunch, and Taiwan would do the same to China. The seas between China and Japan and Taiwan are full of the dead armies who tried to cross. The Chinese air force has planes which have to choose between fuel or bombs, because they do not have the power for both. Their army is made up of princelings, who are unable to fight. Russia is all bluster. They have very good tank and aircraft designs, but no money to actually produce them, or get them certified.

Do not underestimate long range missiles.
Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear warheads in the world.
As of 2022, Russia had roughly 4,448 warheads with 1,588 of them being deployed on ballistic missiles and heavy bomber bases, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) .
Another 977 strategic warheads and 1,912 nonstrategic warheads are in reserve.
According the the NTI, there is 13,100 nuclear weapons in the world.

It claims nine countries have nuclear weapons while 22 have nuclear material which risks being stolen.
The think tank claims North Korea has between 25 and 50 nuclear warheads, as well as biological and chemical bombs.

Though Iran doesn't have a nuclear warhead, it does have 10kg of uranium enriched to 60 per cent as of September 2021 and even more enriched to a lower rate.

China has 320 nuclear warheads, including 90 intercontinental ballistic missiles and 250 long-range missile silos as of 2021.
India has roughly 40 nuclear weapons. Syria allegedly has five, while Israel allegedly has four.
The US also has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.

7 countries using nuclear weapons will fight in WW3 according to scripture.

 

[2ndpillar]

Do not underestimate long range missiles.
Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear warheads in the world.
As of 2022, Russia had roughly 4,448 warheads with 1,588 of them being deployed on ballistic missiles and heavy bomber bases, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) .
Another 977 strategic warheads and 1,912 nonstrategic warheads are in reserve.
According the the NTI, there is 13,100 nuclear weapons in the world.

It claims nine countries have nuclear weapons while 22 have nuclear material which risks being stolen.
The think tank claims North Korea has between 25 and 50 nuclear warheads, as well as biological and chemical bombs.

Though Iran doesn't have a nuclear warhead, it does have 10kg of uranium enriched to 60 per cent as of September 2021 and even more enriched to a lower rate.

China has 320 nuclear warheads, including 90 intercontinental ballistic missiles and 250 long-range missile silos as of 2021.
India has roughly 40 nuclear weapons. Syria allegedly has five, while Israel allegedly has four.
The US also has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.

7 countries using nuclear weapons will fight in WW3 according to scripture.

It is doubtful that Israel, or Israel's strategic partner, India, will come against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-2). Likewise, Britain, who set up the state of Israel in 1917, most likely will not come against Jerusalem. Weapons must be maintained to remain viable. Trump just recently did maintenance on the U.S. nuclear weapons at great expense, whereas Russia does not maintain its weapons, as shown in the conditions of the equipment sent into Ukraine, and Russia's ill trained and led troops and equipment have not done well. It is doubtful that the U.S. will go against Jerusalem unless Biden falls asleep and falls down the stairs with the nuclear football. That leaves you with the godless communist, the wicked/lawless, and Persia/Iran, the people of a false prophet, coming against Jerusalem. As for Syria, they signed the NPT agreement and are supposedly under inspection, and supposedly have no weapons. As for Israel, they have as many as 800 nuclear warheads, not four. As for Iran, they supposedly have four EMP warheads, which are short lived in immediate destruction capacity, and won't produce fall out which can affect their own country. According to Zechariah 14, it is the nations who go up against Jerusalem who will be affected, and the "surrounding nations" will give up their gold and silver and garments. .

 

[2ndpillar]

. The day of Judgement is the day WW3 breaks out with men around the world judging if a person has the right to life or not.
Tares are people that refuse to forgive trespasses against them and want to kill people for those trespasses because they consider themselves righteous but the other side, their enemy they refuse to love with mercy and compassion considering them the tare that needs to die.
Jesus said "love your enemy" so no war happens. Jesus is not a "tare reaper" and wants to save all people, the entire world from the final man made nuclear world war.

People want to make the "kingdom of Heaven" into a fairy tale. God said in Genesis 1 that heaven is the place birds fly. Heaven is the sky above your head. That kingdom is taken by force when fighter jets= messengers=angels fly in it. The parable is demonstrating people will refuse to love their enemy or forgive trespasses against them and they will demand war (refusing to obey the commandment of God to not kill), to be dominate over other people by destroying them. A nuclear blast will shine like the sun also created of nuclear fusion and the kingdom of their Father is the Kingdom of War in the sky=heaven where the pilots are in service to War as killers launching nuclear missiles.

The tares are represented in Matthew 13 as those who follow the message of the "enemy"/"devil" and are referred as the wicked (Matthew 13:49), and those "who commit lawlessness". The day of the LORD is described in Zechariah 14:1 whereas the "spoil" taken from you/Judah, will be divided among you as shown in Zechariah 14:14. The "kingdom" will start out with judgment, whereas the spoils taken from Judah/Jews, will be returned. The Germans got a head start and did reparations years ago. In the same vane, those who were sold by the beast, will have the sons and daughters of Judah, who had been sold to bring recompense upon the sellers (Joel 3:5-8). Apparently some one sold Jews to the Ukrainian area. The "day of the LORD" will be a judgment day, when judgment is made. The Scripture says if you want to bring fire upon the head of your enemy, do good to them. (Proverb 25:22)

Proverts 25:21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. 22 For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you.

 

[Triumph]

It is doubtful that Israel, or Israel's strategic partner, India, will come against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:1-2). Likewise, Britain, who set up the state of Israel in 1917, most likely will not come against Jerusalem. Weapons must be maintained to remain viable. Trump just recently did maintenance on the U.S. nuclear weapons at great expense, whereas Russia does not maintain its weapons, as shown in the conditions of the equipment sent into Ukraine, and Russia's ill trained and led troops and equipment have not done well. It is doubtful that the U.S. will go against Jerusalem unless Biden falls asleep and falls down the stairs with the nuclear football. That leaves you with the godless communist, the wicked/lawless, and Persia/Iran, the people of a false prophet, coming against Jerusalem. As for Syria, they signed the NPT agreement and are supposedly under inspection, and supposedly have no weapons. As for Israel, they have as many as 800 nuclear warheads, not four. As for Iran, they supposedly have four EMP warheads, which are short lived in immediate destruction capacity, and won't produce fall out which can affect their own country. According to Zechariah 14, it is the nations who go up against Jerusalem who will be affected, and the "surrounding nations" will give up their gold and silver and garments. .

You said it is "doubtful" Israel will go against Jerusalem. So you think there is a chance Israel will attack Jerusalem, their proclaimed capitol and Holy land?
The nation of Israel was established as sovereign in 1948 not 1917 and Israel was formed as a "nation" as the result of a bloody world war. The Jews were unable to save themselves in WW2 but they still claim they are the "only chosen people of Lord God and THEY are chosen to rule the world" yet it is Christians, the religion Jews reject, that saved Hebrew/Jews.
India has joined the SCO in alliance with China. Interesting, since China demands land claimed by India on the border of India. India has fought China against the ownership of that land. Friends in "alliance" but in pretense.
Scripture states Persia=Iran will attack Jerusalem and they will. Russia supports Syria and Iran and neither are Sunni nations. It is a Sunni mosque on the Temple mount in Jerusalem.
Israel receives $3 billion from the U.S. annually, and has over the last decade, making it the "largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II," according to an August 2019 report by the Congressional Research Service. 3 billion dollars every year of FREE money, yet there are ads on TV for people to financially support the old Jewish people because they are destitute and need to be brought back to Israel. Some of the richest people on the planet are Jews.

 

[Triumph]

The tares are represented in Matthew 13 as those who follow the message of the "enemy"/"devil" and are referred as the wicked (Matthew 13:49), and those "who commit lawlessness". The day of the LORD is described in Zechariah 14:1 whereas the "spoil" taken from you/Judah, will be divided among you as shown in Zechariah 14:14. The "kingdom" will start out with judgment, whereas the spoils taken from Judah/Jews, will be returned. The Germans got a head start and did reparations years ago. In the same vane, those who were sold by the beast, will have the sons and daughters of Judah, who had been sold to bring recompense upon the sellers (Joel 3:5-8). Apparently some one sold Jews to the Ukrainian area. The "day of the LORD" will be a judgment day, when judgment is made. The Scripture says if you want to bring fire upon the head of your enemy, do good to them. (Proverb 25:22)

Proverts 25:21 If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. 22 For in so doing, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you.

Jesus called Abraham, the "devil" but people don't want to hear those words. (John 8) The LAW of God is do not kill so those that kill are lawless.
The Hebrew Lord= King in Proverbs is saying give coals /destruction/fire to their enemies for food and drink, keep that war mongering King /Lord in power he will always provide for/reward his army of killers.
People that support Abraham/David do not support Jesus because Jesus refused to support Abraham or his sons that serve Abraham. The false Apostle Paul supports Abraham/David, but Jesus never did. The message of the devil is kill people to exalt me. Killing for self exaltation is wicked. Both Abraham and David demanded people kill people to keep them in power. Jesus required his followers to not kill people.
Lord is the ruler of a nation not God. God is not and never will be a "Lord", a word that describes men= kings, princes, military leaders, slave owners, land owners, husbands and even teachers. Jesus accepted the title, "Lord" only as a teacher, not as a King and certainly not as God. God is not a man.

 

[2ndpillar]

You said it is "doubtful" Israel will go against Jerusalem. So you think there is a chance Israel will attack Jerusalem, their proclaimed capitol and Holy land?
The nation of Israel was established as sovereign in 1948 not 1917 and Israel was formed as a "nation" as the result of a bloody world war. The Jews were unable to save themselves in WW2 but they still claim they are the "only chosen people of Lord God and THEY are chosen to rule the world" yet it is Christians, the religion Jews reject, that saved Hebrew/Jews.
India has joined the SCO in alliance with China. Interesting, since China demands land claimed by India on the border of India. India has fought China against the ownership of that land. Friends in "alliance" but in pretense.
Scripture states Persia=Iran will attack Jerusalem and they will. Russia supports Syria and Iran and neither are Sunni nations. It is a Sunni mosque on the Temple mount in Jerusalem.
Israel receives $3 billion from the U.S. annually, and has over the last decade, making it the "largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II," according to an August 2019 report by the Congressional Research Service. 3 billion dollars every year of FREE money, yet there are ads on TV for people to financially support the old Jewish people because they are destitute and need to be brought back to Israel. Some of the richest people on the planet are Jews.

It was the 1917 British Balfour Declaration which provided entrance of the Zionist into Judea, predicated on the Zionist turning over the patent for the production of cheap explosives to the allies. It was the result of WWII that Israel became a nation of refugees. As per the judgment of God against Judah and Ephraim/Israel, that is laid out in Joel 5, whereas they would be under judgment by the LORD until they acknowledged their errors. That would come under Jeremiah 30:7-11, whereas during "Jacob's distress", Jacob would be chastened, yet the nations/Gentiles, "I will destroy completely". The money going from the US to Israel is based mainly for the benefit of the US weapons industry, whereas the money has mostly been used to buy US weapons. The Sunni's are now partners with Israel, as in the Abraham accords, and as in a partnership against the Shia Iran. As for the "Christian" scams to provide for money for old Jewish people in Russia, you might want to check on how much of that money actually gets to those "old women".

 

[2ndpillar]

Jesus called Abraham, the "devil" but people don't want to hear those words. (John 8) The LAW of God is do not kill so those that kill are lawless.
The Hebrew Lord= King in Proverbs is saying give coals /destruction/fire to their enemies for food and drink, keep that war mongering King /Lord in power he will always provide for/reward his army of killers.
People that support Abraham/David do not support Jesus because Jesus refused to support Abraham or his sons that serve Abraham. The false Apostle Paul supports Abraham/David, but Jesus never did. The message of the devil is kill people to exalt me. Killing for self exaltation is wicked. Both Abraham and David demanded people kill people to keep them in power. Jesus required his followers to not kill people.
Lord is the ruler of a nation not God. God is not and never will be a "Lord", a word that describes men= kings, princes, military leaders, slave owners, land owners, husbands and even teachers. Jesus accepted the title, "Lord" only as a teacher, not as a King and certainly not as God. God is not a man.

Actually, Yeshua did not call Abraham the "devil". Yeshua was referring to the father of lies, who is the devil (John 8:44). And the "Lord God", the "LORD" (YHWH) is not referring to any king, except that the kings of Israel were "anointed" with the spirit of God. I still can't figure out which sect led you down the road you are traveling.

 

[syo]

In christianity? Wash the hands like Pilate.

 

[Triumph]

Actually, Yeshua did not call Abraham the "devil". Yeshua was referring to the father of lies, who is the devil (John 8:44). And the "Lord God", the "LORD" (YHWH) is not referring to any king, except that the kings of Israel were "anointed" with the spirit of God. I still can't figure out which sect led you down the road you are traveling.

You are not seeing that GOD, the Father of Jesus is Not Lord God.
The creation story of God ends in Genesis 2: 4 Finished. People are created and having children.

Then God, the Father of Jesus, shows the devil Abraham's crazy talking snake story that Abraham in invented in a day that has a Hebrew/Jew as the first human created on the planet when there already were generations of humans walking around on Earth that were not Hebrew/Jews.
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, ARE means ALREADY in existance, already created by GOD. People are alive for generations having families and establishing societies.
Then Abraham made Lord God
claiming everything already created by GOD is created by Lord God that claims there are no Gods before him when the truth is GOD existed long before the Lord God fiction was created by Abraham.

Abraham invented Lord God to exalt himself as the only chosen of the "God" Abraham invented so Abraham could rule as that LORD over a NEW RACE of People Abraham collected together creating Hebrew/Jews telling them his Lord God (which in truth is just the man Abraham) chose only them to rule the Earth.
Abraham handed the Lord God crown down to his sons Abraham called "Gods" and the sons of Abraham continued the Lord God stories to keep themselves in power on a bloodline throne and what the Hebrew King wanted, he had scribes write the LORD wanted.

In John 8, Jesus knows the men, sons of Abraham support and do the works of Abraham because their belief is anyone not supporting what Abraham said (and that is the Christ is a bloodline throne created by Abraham given to David ) should die as a blasphemer. Jesus told them, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." They refuse to change their religious beliefs based on tradition from Abraham and are circumcised to vow belief in what Abraham said is true. They have vowed to do the Works of Abraham which is to kill people to attain power supporting Abraham. The words of Jesus have no place in them because they believe God spoke to Abraham not to Jesus. Jesus hears the voice of God, not Abraham. God never spoke to Abraham so there is no covenant. The sons of Abraham want to kill Jesus for saying that and call Jesus a liar. Jesus calls them liars and called "Abraham the father of the lie" that God spoke with Abraham because God did not.

Those that oppose the Words of God as Abraham did are Devils. His sons are vipers that want to kill innocent people for not serving their man made Lord God. They are a race of people Abraham created that have unfair laws, fiction as ancestors, and bloody rituals that God disapproves of and refuses to support.

 

[Dogknox20]

There are at least four interpretations of what "born of water", from the fourth gospel, means.

Which one, if any, do you go for and why not one of the others?

David Young Born of Water is being Immersed into the Holy Body of Jesus! Commonly called Baptism!

John the Baptist was NOT re-Born of water John died before Pentecost! John died before the Bride could Baptize him!
Matthew 11:11
Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Being IMMERSED into the Body of the King allows entry into his Kingdom! John died he was beheaded before Pentecost!

 

[Triumph]

It was the 1917 British Balfour Declaration which provided entrance of the Zionist into Judea, predicated on the Zionist turning over the patent for the production of cheap explosives to the allies. It was the result of WWII that Israel became a nation of refugees. As per the judgment of God against Judah and Ephraim/Israel, that is laid out in Joel 5, whereas they would be under judgment by the LORD until they acknowledged their errors. That would come under Jeremiah 30:7-11, whereas during "Jacob's distress", Jacob would be chastened, yet the nations/Gentiles, "I will destroy completely". The money going from the US to Israel is based mainly for the benefit of the US weapons industry, whereas the money has mostly been used to buy US weapons. The Sunni's are now partners with Israel, as in the Abraham accords, and as in a partnership against the Shia Iran. As for the "Christian" scams to provide for money for old Jewish people in Russia, you might want to check on how much of that money actually gets to those "old women".

The "Lord" they are under judgement of is the Hebrew/Jewish government they established They say the High Priest speaks with God, Jesus said he doesn't.
A red cow sacrifice is not going to cleanse anything because it is hocus pocus to believe in an animal sacrifice to a God.

Men with nuclear missiles in 2022 that believe in a cow sacrifice to a Lord God that can cleanse sin. Intelligence and stupidity all in one bloody room.

Once the money is received, Israel decides what it does with it, not the USA and yes, Israel does create weapons. Israel is the third ranking world arms exporter.
Israel sells weapons to China and Russia and Egypt. The US told them to stop doing that but Israel refused because they are profiting from it.

" Both Sunnis and Shiite have the same doctrines of jihad against non-Moslems, in general, and war against the Jews, in particular, because they all use the same Koran and the same jihadist and anti-Semitic hadiths.
Allah, in the Koran, 9:29, commands Moslems to make war against Jews (and Christians) and subjugate them to Islamic law. Muhammad in his notorious genocidal hadith which is part of the Hamas Charter, commands Moslems to fight the Jews and kill them.
There is also the other doctrine which says that, once any land has been conquered by Moslems, that land remains Moslem land forever. This doctrine applies to the entire territory of Israel (and the British Palestine Mandate) because it was once ruled by the Moslem Ottoman Empire.
The Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran is Israel’s deadliest enemy because of its military strength, but the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood and the mostly Sunni OIC remain dedicated to destroying Israel and either killing or subjugating the Jews." Carl Goldburg
Student of Islam, from the Islamic sources, since 9/11.

 

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The "Lord" they are under judgement of is the Hebrew/Jewish government they established They say the High Priest speaks with God, Jesus said he doesn't.
A red cow sacrifice is not going to cleanse anything because it is hocus pocus to believe in an animal sacrifice to a God.

Men with nuclear missiles in 2022 that believe in a cow sacrifice to a Lord God that can cleanse sin. Intelligence and stupidity all in one bloody room.

Once the money is received, Israel decides what it does with it, not the USA and yes, Israel does create weapons.
Israel sells weapons to China and Russia and Egypt. The US told them to stop doing that but Israel refused because they are profiting from it.

" Both Sunnis and Shiite have the same doctrines of jihad against non-Moslems, in general, and war against the Jews, in particular, because they all use the same Koran and the same jihadist and anti-Semitic hadiths.
Allah, in the Koran, 9:29, commands Moslems to make war against Jews (and Christians) and subjugate them to Islamic law. Muhammad in his notorious genocidal hadith which is part of the Hamas Charter, commands Moslems to fight the Jews and kill them.
There is also the other doctrine which says that, once any land has been conquered by Moslems, that land remains Moslem land forever. This doctrine applies to the entire territory of Israel (and the British Palestine Mandate) because it was once ruled by the Moslem Ottoman Empire.
The Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran is Israel’s deadliest enemy because of its military strength, but the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood and the mostly Sunni OIC remain dedicated to destroying Israel and either killing or subjugating the Jews." Carl Goldburg
Student of Islam, from the Islamic sources, since 9/11.

You will find written in the NT that Annanias, the high priest, acted for God. All the kings, prophets, and priest of Israel were considered anointed. It is the "Christians" who think that God directed the false prophet Paul in his message. 9/11 is about 20 years out of date. It is mostly Iran which financially supports the Jihad against the US and Israel, as well as supporting the Jihadist of Yemen against the Sunni Saudi Arabians. The Saudi Arabians ship their Jihadist out of state to clueless Pakistan, the US, the UK, etc. In the end, it is the "surrounding nations" of Jerusalem, who will be dealt destruction, while "Jerusalem will dwell in security" (Zechariah 14:9-14), which does not mean that all in Jerusalem will be dead. Instead the "nations will walk by it's light" ...and "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life." will "come into it" (Revelation 21:22-27), and the "river of the water of life" will proceed from the throne of God and of the Lamb", and there "shall no longer be any curse", and the "tree of life" will be used for the healing of nations (Revelation 2:1-5). If the nations were all dead as you purpose, there would be no need for healing. Jerusalem will not be a moon lifeless moonscape, but the murderers and liars and lovers of lies will not be let in the gate (Revelation 22:14-15).

 

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You are not seeing that GOD, the Father of Jesus is Not Lord God.
The creation story of God ends in Genesis 2: 4 Finished. People are created and having children.

Then God, the Father of Jesus, shows the devil Abraham's crazy talking snake story that Abraham in invented in a day that has a Hebrew/Jew as the first human created on the planet when there already were generations of humans walking around on Earth that were not Hebrew/Jews.
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, ARE means ALREADY in existance, already created by GOD. People are alive for generations having families and establishing societies.
Then Abraham made Lord God
claiming everything already created by GOD is created by Lord God that claims there are no Gods before him when the truth is GOD existed long before the Lord God fiction was created by Abraham.

Abraham invented Lord God to exalt himself as the only chosen of the "God" Abraham invented so Abraham could rule as that LORD over a NEW RACE of People Abraham collected together creating Hebrew/Jews telling them his Lord God (which in truth is just the man Abraham) chose only them to rule the Earth.
Abraham handed the Lord God crown down to his sons Abraham called "Gods" and the sons of Abraham continued the Lord God stories to keep themselves in power on a bloodline throne and what the Hebrew King wanted, he had scribes write the LORD wanted.

In John 8, Jesus knows the men, sons of Abraham support and do the works of Abraham because their belief is anyone not supporting what Abraham said (and that is the Christ is a bloodline throne created by Abraham given to David ) should die as a blasphemer. Jesus told them, "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." They refuse to change their religious beliefs based on tradition from Abraham and are circumcised to vow belief in what Abraham said is true. They have vowed to do the Works of Abraham which is to kill people to attain power supporting Abraham. The words of Jesus have no place in them because they believe God spoke to Abraham not to Jesus. Jesus hears the voice of God, not Abraham. God never spoke to Abraham so there is no covenant. The sons of Abraham want to kill Jesus for saying that and call Jesus a liar. Jesus calls them liars and called "Abraham the father of the lie" that God spoke with Abraham because God did not.

Those that oppose the Words of God as Abraham did are Devils. His sons are vipers that want to kill innocent people for not serving their man made Lord God. They are a race of people Abraham created that have unfair laws, fiction as ancestors, and bloody rituals that God disapproves of and refuses to support.

What can I say, Yeshua never called "Abraham the father of the lie", saying that would in fact be a lie. Abraham, which means "father of the nations/peoples", was not the first Jew, and was not even a Jew at all. The separation of Israel into Judah and Ephraim/Israel, did not happen until after the reign of king David, long after the death of Abraham. You seem to make up many things up as you go along. As for the Law that Yeshua specifically supported was the Commandments, which came from the children of Abraham, and Yeshua said you must keep the Commandments in order to enter into life. (Matthew 19:16). As for keeping the laws of Moses, Yeshua said you had to surpass those laws (Matthew 5:20) to enter into heaven.

 

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There are at least four interpretations of what "born of water", from the fourth gospel, means.

Which one, if any, do you go for and why not one of the others?

The account in John 3:3-5 reads: “Jesus said to him: ‘Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.’ Nicodemus said to him: ‘How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter into the womb of his mother a second time and be born, can he?’ Jesus answered: ‘Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’”

The meaning is determined by what Jesus was refering to in the context.
He was speaking about the 'kingdom of God'
Where is the kingdom of God? It is in heaven. Therefore, unless you are born from water and spirit you cannot enter heaven.

We get another clue about this at 1Cor 15: 50 But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom

The answer is simply that a physical person made of flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. They would need to be 'born again' as it were and born again specifically as a 'spirit' person. Only spirits can enter the heavens.

After Jesus was baptized in water, God poured his spirit on him which gave him the right to be a spirit son of God. After Jesus died, he was then born again and raised to life in the spirit so that he could enter the heavens.


So is anyone on earth currently 'born again' NO. You cannot be born again until you are given the 'new birth' as a spirit and this can only happen after you die. Being 'born of water' is simply a step in the process of approval as to whether you will be reborn as a spirit and enter the heavens after your death.

 

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The meaning is determined by what Jesus was refering to in the context.
He was speaking about the 'kingdom of God'
Where is the kingdom of God? It is in heaven. Therefore, unless you are born from water and spirit you cannot enter heaven.

The "kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 10:7), and can be verified when the disciples healed the sick, raised the dead, and cleansed the lepers. (Matthew 10:8). The "kingdom of heaven" is the power and spirit of God on earth. The "kingdom of God", is when Judah and Ephraim are combined on the land given to Jacob, under the rule of King David (Ezekiel 37:22-28), and will be fulfilled at the end of the age, after 2 days/two thousand years (Hosea 5:14-6:5).