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Book of Mark 13

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Faithofchristian, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    In the book of Mark 13, Christ Jesus foretold, What the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is.
    And who shall be the ones to commit it.
    And when it shall take place.
     
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    But the Book of Ezeyosekhiah 18 clearly admonishes against such rubbish.
     
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    I am wondering which verse in Mark 13 you have in mind.
    I see at Mark 3:29 mentioning about blasphemy against God's spirit, and at Matthew 12:32.
    I see those people of Hebrew 6:4-6 are Not forgiven for what they did.
     
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    It's all there in Mark 13. It should be quite simple, for those who claim to have the Spirit of God, to figure it out.

    I'm not trying to dodge your question, only that I want to see how many Christians can figure this out. Without me giving it away.
     
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    I find Mark chapter 13; Luke chapter 21 and Matthew chapter 24 that all three chapters are about the time frame ending in the year 70 for those un-faithful Jews in Jerusalem, and the now the greater fulfillment set in our day to end in our time frame.

    Mark 13:1-37 is about the conclusion of this world of badness before Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth begins.
    Mark 13:8 connects wars, earthquakes and food shortages in connection to our day.
    Mark 13:10 shows that the Good News of God's Kingdom government will be proclaimed in our day.
    Mark 13:19 is in connection to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14
    Mark 13:26 is about Jesus being the ' Son of man ' and his coming in glory in connection Matthew 25:31-33,37.
    Mark 13:28-31 fig tree illustration in connection to Matthew 24:32-34; Luke 21:29-33 is the 'season' is now for us.
    Mark 13:32-37 concludes that we should keep alert, keep on the watch......

    Mark 3:29 tells us about what is sin against God's spirit.
     
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    There is nothing in Mark 3:29 telling what the Blasphemy of the Spirit is or when it will happen or who can commit it.

    All Mark 3:29 is doing is showing the Scribes are walking a fine line in committing Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and that's all. But there is nothing there saying what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is or when it will happen or who can commit it.

    Now in Mark 13 Christ Jesus has foretold what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and when it will happen and who can commit it

    Nice try though
     
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    I wonder what is the difference between Matthew chapter 24/ Luke chapter 21 / and Mark chapter 13.

    I find Jesus spoke of ' blasphemy against God's spirit to be the un-forgivable sin ' as found at Matthew 12:31; Luke 12:10 and at Mark 3:28.
    Jesus placed blasphemy as starting, or originating, in one's heart at Matthew 15:19 and at Mark 7:21-22.
    Jesus statement about the un-pardonable sin was in connection to the opposing of the operation of God's spirit as the religious leaders demonstrated, Not as a human weakness, but as willful and deliberate.
    After all, those religious leaders saw Jesus in action accomplishing good, yet for their selfish reasons they tried to say Jesus' power came from Satan the Devil.
    They even tried to stone Jesus for saying sins were forgiven at Mark 2:5-7.
    In these 'last days of badness on Earth' blasphemers would abound according to 2 Timothy 3:1-2, so they would be like those blasphemous religious leaders, and be like the people of James 2:7 who blaspheme that ' worthy name ' by which Jesus' followers were called, a people for God's name as per Acts of the Apostles 15:14 B which Jesus manifested according to John 17:6; John 17:26.
     
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    All that you given, has nothing to do with the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

    I gave you in Mark 13 that Christ Jesus has foretold what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and when it will happen and by who can commit it.
    But for some reason, you keep running all over the place trying to avoid what Christ Jesus has said.
     
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    Please, please post what Jesus said in Mark 13 about the Blasphemy of God's holy spirit.
    If what I have given in post # 7 has nothing to do with the blasphemy of the holy spirit then please post as to what I posted has to do with what.
     
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    Look, in Mark 13:11, There are 3 things, we need to look at.

    The 1st one is, Christ Jesus said, "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, This being Christ Jesus elect people, who are delivered before the antichrist during the tribulation.

    The 2nd one is, "Take no thought beforehand what you shall speak, neither do you premeditated: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour"
    Christ Jesus speaking to his elect people down thru the ages, giving them warnings,
    telling them, they are not to take any thought or premeditate. In that Hour.
    The hour being the hour of temptation spoken of in Revelation 3:10, When Christ Jesus elect people are delivered up before the antichrist.
    Christ Jesus giving his elect people warning take no thought beforehand or premeditate what they are to say.when they are delivered up before the antichrist.

    The 3rd one is, " for it is not you that speak,
    But the Holy Spirit.

    This means, If Christ Jesus elect people speaks before the Holy Spirit speaks through them.
    Then His elect people haved committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

    Christ Jesus for warning his elect people down thru the ages when they are delivered up before the antichrist during the tribulation, not to speak. But if they speak before the Holy Spirit speaks through them.
    Then His elect people haved committed Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

    Therefore the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can only happen during the tribulation.
    By Christ Jesus elect people.
    When they are delivered up before the antichrist during the tribulation.

    Therefore Christ Jesus elect people are the only people who can commit the unpardonable sin of Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Which can only take place during the tribulation and no other time.

    There you have it,
    Christ Jesus telling, what the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is and when it will happen and who can commit it. In Mark 13:11.
     
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    Thank you for your reply.
    I see first, before Mark 13:11, that at Mark 13:10 what must happen 'first' is the good news gospel must be proclaimed among the nations as Jesus instructed it would be done at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
    Once that international proclaiming about Daniel 2:44 is accomplished then we will see Mark 13:9 B, 11.
    Even as Luke 21:14-17 says Not to settle in your hearts...meditate beforehand what to answer.

    The only mentions about being antichrist I find in the letters written by John at 1 John 2:18; 1 John 2:22; 1 John 4:3; 2 John 1:7 which is Not about any particular one person.
    Even the composite 'person', so to speak, of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is more than one person because the ' man of sin ' the ' son of perdition ' (destruction) is Not one person, but false clergy who according to 2 Thessalonians 2:4 seat themselves in the ' temple ' (houses of worship) as if they are God when in reality they are found as anti-God.

    The words of Revelation 7:14 are encouraging because it talks about those who will 'come out ' (be delivered/rescued/saved) through the coming great tribulation as instructed by the words of Isaiah 26:20.
     
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    Before you can come out of something, You first have to go thru it, to come out of it

    Therefore Revelation 7:14 is talking about those, Who have gone thru the Tribulation to have come out of the Tribulation.They were not Raptured out, Who told you that. They would be Raptured out, No one is Raptured out, The last Prophecy that God given has to happen first for the Tribulation to end and before Christ Jesus can return. And not until the last Prophecy happens that God has given.

    Look, let's you come out of a mountain, You first have to thru the mountain, to come out of the mountain.

    You can not come out of your car, unless you first enter your car, to come out of your car.
    Therefore those in Revelation 7:14 has to first go thru the Tribulation, to come out of the Tribulation.

    Therefore what God has given in Revelation of the last Prophecy to happen stands as is.
    Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens. And not until.
     
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    Yes, I agree those of Revelation 7:14 come out of the great tribulation because they go through it.
    They are saved, delivered, rescued through the great tribulation - Isaiah 26:20.
    I never used the word ' rapture '. Right, No one is raptured out, but ' come out ' as to be saved alive on Earth.
    They can remain alive on Earth and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.

    Yes, the tribulation ends, ends at Armageddon ( the war to end all wars - Psalms 46:9 ) before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among persons of goodwill.

    We are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
    Jesus' coming 1,000-year day will Not happen until the last prophecy happens.
     
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