BLM cancel demonstration upon learning 'victim' shot by cop was white.

[Koldo]

Are you crazy? The case of Justine Diamond mad international news well outside the US and Australia, was the subject of several high profile OP in mainstream media. The perpetrator was also caught and condamned rather swiftly and efficiently. This case was far from being swept under the rug.

I swear I had to google her name. I have no memory of ever reading or hearing about this...
And I read the News daily...
The coverage must have been pretty bad.
(I am from Brazil, by the way.)

 

[lewisnotmiller]

BLM protesters rally for victim, leave after learning he was white carjacker

Maybe it should be "OBLM" (only black lives matter), instead?

Feminists didn't march on this either. Neither did the Loyal Orange Institution.

Organised political groups tend to work to a political agenda. This is neither surprising nor new.

 

[epronovost]

I've judged it by listening & reading a range of news sources.
I look at coverage frequency, coverage content, & events.

From my personnal experience of your listening and reading habit. That doesn't mean much.

But her murder was the latest in a series of police killings of white
people in the US. Many more whites are shot by cops than backs.
Blacks are only shot at a higher rate.
If this were more widely known, perhaps there'd be more impetus
to reform policing to make it less dangerous to us all.

Not really, because rates determine risk and for a community to perceive and understand a threat it must feel the risk. The truth is is that even if raw numbers are high, if the rate is low, the risk will be understood as being low.

You'd think that Australians would be keenly aware that
one of their own (Damond) was murdered by a US cop.
Yet, only Floyd was prominently in their minds.
Why?

They very well could have forgotten about an event occuring 4 years prior for a variety of reason. Why imply malice where ignorance or forgetfulness can explain just as adequatly? The name of victims and the specific of their cases often falls in the shadow unless they become the symbol of a cause or martyrs.

The media portray murderous cops as being only a racism
problem. It would be a darn shame if blacks were still
murdered at the same rate that cops murder white folk.
That would still be too many murders.

I disagree. The media doesn't portray police brutality as being a racist problem only. It does often and frequently mention its racist component, but critique of the policing and judicial system in general are common and numerous to the point that some points like ending mandatory minimum laws, reforming police accountability systems, war on drugs, SWAT raid abuse are now subject of mainstream politics and not the domain of political activists, a few cooky libertarians, anarchists and socialists.

 

[Revoltingest]

From my personnal experience of your listening and reading habit. That doesn't mean much.

I offered something of a basis.
You've offered nothing but justification of media mischief.

 

[epronovost]

- Recruitment standards are too low.
- Training is too little & too geared towards abuse & lethality.
- Fellow cops & the whole system shield & exculpate wrongdoers.
- Cops are performing functions inappropriate for them.

These are uncontroversial claims or desires. They are a common complain about police standards for half a century. I don't question the validity of this belief which I think is perfectly reasonnable, desirable and defended by solid evidence.

What I question is your mention that cases of police brutality against white people are swept under the rug by the media (which is false) and that you seeing some bloke in Australia in the news in the wake of the George Floyd murder protests didn't remember or knew who Justine Diamond was. That's a crap standard of evidence that's absolutely unreasonnable since it's of cours far too annecdotal, prone to selection bias from you part and missinterpretation (for example attributing this ignorance to malice from the media instead of someone being poorly informed or forgetful). I'm not questionning your politics. I'm questionning your judgement. It's not the same thing at all.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

BLM protesters rally for victim, leave after learning he was white carjacker

Maybe it should be "OBLM" (only black lives matter), instead?

Lol, but if he's a black carjacker, he's a martyr and saint. BLM just seems intent to glorify criminal black men. They don't even care about black women that much.

 

[Revoltingest]

These are uncontroversial claims or desires.

I'll offer observations, & propose solutions anyway.
Even if you're uninterested, others are.

What I question is your mention that cases of police brutality against white people are swept under the rug by the media (which is false)...

I disagree. Moreover, your post excuses the media for
exacerbating racial hostilities with prejudiced reporting.
And this keeps people from seeing the full scope of the
problem, which lessens desire for positive change.

 

[Thief]

Reading beyond the headline the article said, "Black Lives Matter protesters in Minnesota dropped to a knee and set off to march over a fatal police shooting — only to return when they learned it was a white carjacker who had fired at police, according to reports."

In other words maybe it wasn't race that was the central issue, but rather the fact that the carjacker reportedly fired at police.

but the knee-jerk was there

 

[Thief]

it's been awhile.....and not likely I can find the source

but I have read....most black men shot and killed
were shot by .....black men

 

[epronovost]

I'll offer observations, & propose solutions anyway.
Even if you're uninterested, others are.

I am interested. I mentionned specifically. You should read posts in full. It would increase my (and others) confidence in you when you state ''I believe this following my review of the news media and personnal observations''.

I disagree. Moreover, your post excuses the media for
exacerbating racial hostilities with prejudiced reporting.
And this keeps people from seeing the full scope of the
problem, which lessens desire for positive change.

I disagree. I believe that your post downplays racism, smears news media and downplays the disproportionate amount of violence suffered by the black community by police which keeps people from seeing the full scope of the problem of racism in your country which in turn lessens the chance for positive chances on that issue and that of police brutality since obviously white people don't consider the risk of being shot and killed by police or arrested/imprisonned unjustly. They know it can happen and sometime does happen, but they don't fear it because they believe they will be treated fairly and reasonnably by the police and the risks are overall low. Fight for racial justice has been and still is the main vehicle by which police reforms are conducted. Could and should there be others? I do believe so, but don't do it at the expanse of your best weapon.

 

[Revoltingest]

You should read posts in full.

Erroneous presumption.
I did read them in full.
But I quoted only the salient portions.
The rest was irrelevant.

I am interested.

Your posts are making this personal & negative
in pursuit of justifying & excusing media racism.
It minimizes general & larger policing problems.
This doesn't inspire conversing.

 

[Left Coast]

Black people in the US are vastly more likely to be shot by police:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

Obviously demonstrators were also already out in force yesterday due to the Chauvin trial. Additionally, a black teenage girl was shot yesterday:

Black teenage girl shot dead by Columbus police

 

[Revoltingest]

Black people in the US are vastly more likely to be shot by police:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

This is widely known. But what isn't well known
is that actually more whites are shot than blacks
by a ratio of about 2 to 1. Hispanics, Amerindian,
& others die in significant numbers too. This should
inspire more people to seek police reform.
Ref...
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista

Obviously demonstrators were also already out in force yesterday due to the Chauvin trial. Additionally, a black teenage girl was shot yesterday:

Black teenage girl shot dead by Columbus police

Did you see the reason they shot her?
Had they not, & she succeeded in stabbing
her victim, would that have been better?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Additionally, a black teenage girl was shot yesterday:

Black teenage girl shot dead by Columbus police

Who was attacking people with a knife. Then the stupid mayor eulogized her as if she was the (only) victim.

 

[Thief]

Black people in the US are vastly more likely to be shot by police:

hmmmm......

could there be more black people misbehaving?
precentage wise

 

[Thief]

if the percentage of the police force leaned more to black.....

then more black officers would be shooting more black men

or maybe the law would be enforced....differently?

 

[Left Coast]

Did you see the reason they shot her?
Had they not, & she succeeded in stabbing
her victim, would that have been better?

I simply said it happened. Take a breath Rev.

 

[Revoltingest]

I simply said it happened. Take a breath Rev.

I simply responded with useful info & a question.
How do you think the cops should've responded to the situation?

Oh, I edited the post with more info.

 

[Revoltingest]

if the percentage of the police force leaned more to black.....

then more black officers would be shooting more black men

or maybe the law would be enforced....differently?

I heard a fascinating Hidden Brain podcast.
Research found implicit racism against blacks in cops
& the general population. Most interesting was that
black cops also had this prejudice towards black civilians.
Note that Mohammed Noor didn't even know the race of
the unarmed woman he killed....he couldn't clearly see her.

So merely hiring more black cops won't even begin to
solve the problems....it would just give the appearance
of addressing them.
Note that several of Freddie Gray's killers were black cops.

 

[Left Coast]

This is widely known. But what isn't well known
is that actually more whites are shot than blacks
by a ratio of about 2 to 1. Hispanics, Amerindian,
& others die in significant numbers too. This should
inspire more people to seek police reform.
Ref...
People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2021 | Statista

There are more than twice as many white people in the US as black, so that's neither particularly surprising nor concerning per se. We expect that police are going to shoot some number of people. The issue is that black people are shot very disproportionately.