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Featured Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by David1967, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. Brickjectivity

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    None of the supplied references supports any conception of racism, and by asuming racism the phrase 'Children of Israel' is emptied of its meaning and reversed, because to be a child of Israel is a matter of covenants. A male child uncircumcised is not Jewish. To place emphasis upon blood that is your idea. Look at Davids men, their names and origins. Look at David wearing the ephod, yet he is neither Levite nor from an established genetic family no quite the contrary, for his great grandmother is Ruth the Moabitess by origin, but she is adopted by Naomi and is Moabite no more. She says to Naomi "Your people will be my people" and covenants. From then on she is Israelite, and thus Davids line is pure though not through genetics.
     
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    If it wasn't about blood, the covenant wouldn't have gone to Isaac.

    Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between thee and thy seed after thee, to their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be thy God, and the God of thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give to thee and to thy seed after thee the land wherein thou sojournest, even all the land of Chanaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be to them a God. 9 And God said to Abraam, Thou also shalt fully keep my covenant, thou and thy seed after thee for their generations. 10 And this is the covenant which thou shalt fully keep between me and you, and between thy seed after thee for their generations; every male of you shall be circumcised. ... 19 And God said to Abraam, Yea, behold, Sarrha thy wife shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name Isaac; and I will establish my covenant with him, for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to him and to his seed after him."
    Genesis 26:1 "And there was a famine in the land, besides the former famine, which was in the time of Abraam; and Isaac went to Abimelech the king of the Phylistines to Gerara. 2 And the Lord appeared to him and said, Go not down to Egypt, but dwell in the land, which I shall tell thee of. 3 And sojourn in this land; and I will be with thee, and bless thee, for I will give to thee and to thy seed all this land; and I will establish my oath which I swore to thy father Abraam."
    Genesis 28:10 And Jacob went forth from the well of the oath, and departed into Charrhan. 11 And came to a certain place and slept there, for the sun had gone down; and he took one of the stones of the place, and put it at his head, and lay down to sleep in that place, 12 and dreamed, and behold a ladder fixed on the earth, whose top reached to heaven, and the angels of God ascended and descended on it. 13 And the Lord stood upon it, and said, I am the God of thy father Abraam, and the God of Isaac; fear not, the land on which thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed. 14 And thy seed shall be as the sand of the earth; and it shall spread abroad to the sea, and the south, and the north, and to the east; and in thee and in thy seed shall all the tribes of the earth be blessed. 15 And behold I am with thee to preserve thee continually in all the way wherein thou shalt go; and I will bring thee back to this land; for I will not desert thee, until I have done all that I have said to thee."

    From Abraham to Isaac to Jacob... not a skip in the line at all. And there isn't a skip in the line all the way down to Mary's husband... lineage runs patrilineal in the Bible.

    Which means that men who believe Saul, who may belong to Israel by blood, won't be in the covenant because they won't be circumcised. It's like Judah/Benjamin was trying to keep the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel from ever being redeemed by Jesus at all. Thank God for the doctors who still think that it's necessary, for one reason or another.
     
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    I did not see a development there indicating anything about race or bloodlines but the opposite.

    It should have gone to his older brother Ishmael by the culture of the day, but all blood was the same. Nowhere is there indication that the blood is different between two people. "The life is in the blood" is stating all are the same I suggest.
     
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    Life is in the blood doesn't mean the same life is in all blood. Blood types used to be used to determine race. They've refined that technology into DNA, which clearly shows different races. For example, even the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic have different characteristic diseases.

    As for your not seeing the passing from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob of the covenant of the Promise, may I suggest to you that you are believing what Saul and Barnabus said, regarding who is Israel and the seed of Israel?
     
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    "The Seven Laws of Noah are:

    Shefichat damim - Do not murder.
    Gezel - Do not steal or kidnap.
    Avodah zarah - Do not worship false gods/idols.
    Gilui arayot - Do not be sexually immoral (engage in incest, sodomy, bestiality, castration and adultery)
    Birkat Hashem - Do not utter G-d's name in vain, curse G-d or pursue the occult.
    Dinim - Set up righteous and honest courts and apply fair justice in judging offenders and uphold the principles of the last five.
    Ever Min HaChai - Do not eat a part of a live animal."
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/90646

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    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; 2 this one was in the beginning with God; 3 all things through Him did happen, and without Him happened not even one thing that hath happened. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men, 5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it. 14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth."

    1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we did behold, and our hands did handle, concerning the Word of the Life -- 2 and the Life was manifested, and we have seen, and do testify, and declare to you the Life, the age-during, which was with the Father, and was manifested to us -- 3 that which we have seen and heard declare we to you, that ye also may have fellowship with us, and our fellowship with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ; 4 and these things we write to you, that your joy may be full."

    Matthew 10:32 "Every one, therefore, who shall confess in Me before men, I also will confess in him before My Father who is in the heavens; 33 and whoever shall deny Me before men, I also will deny him before My Father who is in the heavens."
     
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    Yes, I'm aware of what my own laws are; and yes, your religion is illegal.
     
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    But not everyone was aware of the wide dominion of the Talmudic Sanhedrin.

    Matthew 15:7 "Hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people doth draw nigh to Me with their mouth, and with the lips it doth honour Me, but their heart is far off from Me; 9 and in vain do they worship Me, teaching teachings -- commands of men." "Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent." Isaiah 29:14
     
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    Your scripture means nothing to me, so you're wasting your time quoting it.
     
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    There is indeed an important seed/tree concept in the Pentateuch. There is no such thing as Jewish blood nor kosher blood, just jewish converts. Jewish blood is considered every bit as unkosher as that of any other living creature, and there is no distinctive Jewish physical feature. The 'Seed' mentioned by Paul is not his inventio but is a common biblical theme. To begin with Israel is a plant, like a shrub, and it is intended to grow while being consumed but not burned. This is the 'Seed of the woman', because it is non masculine. It involves humility rather than machismo, the cutting of the penis but also the heart for the purpose of peace. If you look at a history of the 7 branched lampstand you can see its development through its representation on walls in synogogues, Israel the tree, the tree which has all kinds of good fruits grafted on, the eternal seed and tree. Israel the seed which is a tree, the undying almond, the pomegranite. Israel the plant which supports grafts of individuals. Genetically it is the very definition of a mutt. Israel represented by twelve entirely different gemstones, arranged in the four cardinal directions, scattered to and gathered from the four winds.

    'Covenant of promise' ? Thats not a Bible term but rather a transformation of the covenant of peace into some term that is convenient to support the complex OP. Actually its a Pauline term but still only useful in a narrow context in which he discourses. The covenant of peace I do recognize. Abraham rejected oppressing poor people rejected living like a warlord and taking from everyone else and broke bread with the king of Shalom, the priest of righteousness. He rejected hate and living by the sword, suffering danger to himself and his family also did. So did Isaac who redug for water several times, each time forgiving the theft of his hard earned wells, and he did this not out of weakness but to make peace. He could have slaughtered his neighbors instead, and didn't they deserve it too! He like his father was a peacemaker. His son Jacob also was, and Jacob took the birthright away from the son who broke out in anger from the rape of his beloved sister. But you have never before noticed this was part of the covenant of peace maybe because you have thought that a covenant was about promises. It was always about peace. Paul may name it the covenant of promise in certain contexts when speaking in his nadsat. It is a covenant of promise only in that it promises peace to those who live in peace.

    I think you are still using Pauline terminology and that you deny Paul whilst relying heavily upon him, mainly because he is how you probably were introduced to Jesus culture although that is a guess on my part. Most if not all of us were introduced to the Bible in a backward direction, and these things happen. It remains to be seen why anyone who is not Jewish would know anything about Jesus were it not for Paul.

    Abraham is called the father of nations. Peace is an intrinsic of this name, because it makes the nations brothers. My opinion.
     
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    And yet, they're both from Isaiah 29. That Talmudic blindfold of yours is working.
     
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    Yes, I saw the Isaiah quote, but I was referring only to your Christian quotes. The Isaiah quote has nothing to do with what you're saying, so I dismissed it. Your Matthew misapplies the quotes he uses, so I count it null; just like he misused Isaiah's birth prophecy, and the quote of Rachel weeping. He's master of missing context.
     
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    Covenant Regarding the Promised Land, then... which is called the everlasting covenant to the genetic of Abraham, through Isaac and Jacob.

    Besides, the Ezekiel 34:25 covenant of peace happens after Armagedon.


    And I'm STILL not confusing Israel with Judah/Benjamin, because of the Divided Kingdom, a fact which still exists today. When Jerusalem murdered Jesus, the Kingdom went to the House of Israel, as Jesus says in Matthew 21:43.

    1 Kings 11:35 "But I will take the kingdom out of the hand of his son, and give thee ten tribes. 36 But to his son I will give the two remaining tribes, that My servant David may have an establishment continually before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen for myself to put My name there."

    Jeremias 18:1 "The word that came from the Lord to Jeremias, saying, 2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there thou shalt hear My words. 3 So I went down to the potter's house, and behold, he was making a vessel on the stones. 4 And the vessel which he was making with his hands fell: so he made it again another vessel, as it seemed good to him to make it. 5 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 6 Shall I not be able, O House of Israel, to do to you as this potter? behold, as the clay of the potter are ye in My hands."

    Jeremias 19:1 "Hear ye the word of the Lord, ye kings of Juda, and men of Juda, and the dwellers in Jerusalem, and they that enter in by these gates; thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, so that the ears of every one that hears it shall tingle. ... 10 And thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that go forth with thee, 11 and thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord, Thus will I break in pieces this people, and this city, even as an earthen vessel is broken in pieces which cannot be mended again."

    Ezekiel 23:4 "And their names were Oola the elder, and Ooliba her sister: and
    they were Mine, and bore sons and daughters: and as for their names,
    Samaria was Oola, and Jerusalem was Ooliba."

    Matthew 15:24 "But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

    John 1:11 "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not."
    Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, that killest the prophets."
     
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    You don't think there were Benjamites in Jerusalem when Herod killed the sons? Judah and Benjamin were the two tribes of the southern half of the Divided Kingdom... and Rachel is Benjamin's mother... obviously it's not literal, because she was dead a long time...
     
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    Its a tangental subject we cant go into on this thread, but I despise using Ezekiel as a crystal ball. Its just supposed to provoke people to make moral choices. Its not a future telling device, and speaking of Armageddon as if its a future physical battle seems monstrously unaligned with Ezekiel.
     
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    Ezekiel 38: 8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
    39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 2 "And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:"

    The sixth part is probably what Revelation sees. God repeats Himself with the Assyrian, too.
     
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    Ezekiel could not possibly have been talking about anything relevant to people living three thousand years ago? Revelation can be reduced to a proof of someones doctrines? Its all about verifying that we are correct in our thinking, and there is nothing wrong with that? What other explanation could there be, and doesn't God owe it to us to protect us from deceitful charlatans who sell endless relics and books that predict the future and heal illnesses?
     
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    I'm only guessing your entire post is sarcasm, because I can't see your face.

    For some of us, Revelation and Ezekiel are mirrors.
    Ezekiel and John may be two witnesses killed in Jerusalem by Persians.
     
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    One time maybe a few weeks-months ago i said to my girlfriend (spiritual wife now) on videochat "i wish my parents werent religious so i can talk to you longer" because i had to get up early for church and im kinda scared
     
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    I believe I had an inspiration today. Disobedience is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
     
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