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Black Flags of Khurasan is actually Black Fighter Jets of Pakistan? Hadith

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  1. Nanda 160892

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    Below is a mauquf Hadith (taken from the saying of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)’s companions). If you read the original Arabic letters of this hadith and compare them with the English translation already circulated around, then clearly you will realize that the hadith is not talking about Khurasan at all. In this Arabic hadith compiled in Mustadrak al-Hakim, hadith no: 8578, it was written: “QABL KHURASAN” which means “BEYOND KHURASAN”.
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    Meanwhile in another hadith, it was written in its original Arabic letters as “QIBAL AL-MUSHRIQ”. The word al-Mushriq means east but there is the word qibal prior to it, thus combined, they create a meaning of “TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF EAST” a.k.a. “NEXT TO THE EAST”. Below is the hadith we are talking about:

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    Furthermore, “min Qabl” always refers to something previous. Meaning: if we take a reference point and say “min Qabl al-(reference point)” then it means something which lies even farther than the reference point to us, and not between the reference point and us. For example, there are three points: A, B and C. Let A be our standing point. We then say: “C lies min qabl B”. In condition that A, B, C are in sequence in a line. Thus, “min Qabl Khurasan” means beyond Khurasan. Now if you look at these maps, you can clearly see that the only place most suitable with descriptions mentioned in Ahadith by Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) is: PAKISTAN.

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    upload_2018-9-2_15-35-11.gif Now we will explain to you according to al-Quranul Karim and Ahadith the fact that THERE WILL BE NO BLACK FLAGS OF KHURASAN only Black Fighter Jets of Pakistan Armed Forces (PAF) during the great war near Qiyamah.

    A clip from hadith above regards the event of black banners/standards as unprecedented, which means has never been done by any nation before. Every Muslim should have faith in this hadith as it is a direct saying of prophet Muhammad (ﷺ).

    In the time of prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), flags were something common to be used as banner or ensign in battles and wars. So basically, the hadith asserts that ‘black standards’ are not flags or anything that has comparison to it before. Also, the ones that will do the killing are these ‘black standards’ which means that they are somekind of weaponry of war. If we learn from history, we know that many kinds of battles and wars had been recorded in books. Battles on the ground using flags, swords, arrows and on horses had been recorded in lots of history, even before the time of noble Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) people had had wars in such manners.

    Meanwhile, battles and wars on the seas or from the direction of the seas had also been recorded in many history. History recorded that the first navy from Muslims were led by Mu’awwiyah (ra.) in the times of Uthman ibn Affan (ra.) (Amirul Mu’minin).

    But, the battles and wars in the skies exclusively have not been recorded in the history of Islam especially in regards to the use of Fighter Jets. Until the end of WW2, there was still no Muslim country that owned any squadron of fighter jets that managed to conquer the Arabs and fight the enemies of Islam. None of them yet! Even, technology of fighter jets is still developing until today in terms of its accuracy, machinary, speed and other specific features.

    If you are still unsure with our explanation than we will give you the last proof and despite being short, this last explanation is indisputable.

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    Note this following pronouncement: ﺛُﻢَّﺗَﻄْﻠُﻊُﺍﻟﺮَّﺍﻳَﺎﺕُﺍﻟﺴُّﻮﺩُ

    Meaning: “…then the black banners/standards will be rising…”

    There are two important vocabularies: “ar-Rayat” and “tathlu’u”. While ar-Rayat could mean flags but its meaning is not limited to just flags. In Arabic, Raayaat (plural: Raayaah) means banners, ensign or any standard used by military forces as a means of visual identification during war times to show that they are ready to fight the other party. However, if you really want to insist that the meaning of ar-Rayat is flags, then you can read this hadith again:

    Behold! Pronouncement ﺗﻄﻠﻊ / tathlu’u (means: rising) in Arabic language is a verb that is not commonly used with nouns such as flags but it always refers to something that is rising in the skies like the sun and the moon which floats in the air or skies without anything to support it.

    EVIDENCE: حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَطْلِعَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَىٰ قَوْمٍ لَّمْ نَجْعَل لَّهُم مِّن دُونِهَا سِتْرًا

    Q.S. al-Kahfi [18] verse 90
    : “Until when he came to the rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We (Allah) had provided no shelter against the sun.”

    The combination of ar-Rayat and tathlu’u requires futuristic interpretation. There is no example of this event occurring in the time of Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ). This is a unique event that will happen in the future and no other event from previous history is anything similar to it. That’s why our Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) mentioned: ﻗَﺘْﻼً ﻟَﻢْ ﻳُﻘْﺘَﻠْﻪُ ﻗَﻮْﻡٌ which means:

    …in an unprecedented manner…” (a.k.a.) “…in a way that has never been done by previous nations…” – Ibn Majah 4084

    Thus it has been proven clearly that the black banners of ar-Rayatu as-Suud are not flags but black standards, the pride of military body that will be rising and floating in the sky without any support (the most-advanced offensive military aircraft is no other than fighter jets), so that when people see them coming, they will have to look up to the sky and lift up their faces as if they are looking at the sun and moon rising in the sky.

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    upload_2018-9-2_15-35-11.gif FACTS ABOUT PAKISTAN
    • The only Muslim nation with nuclear power
    • The location of historical summit in which King Faisal (Syahid) took part in it
    • Pakistan is very despised by both Israel and India
    • Pakistan is developing latest generation of fighter jets
    • The founding father of Pakistan was a noble man visitted by Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) in dreams.
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    Muhammad Qasim bin Abdulkarim is a simple but noble Sunni Muslim man from Pakistan aged 40 who is born in Pakistan, but he has Quraysh lineage from his father. Since the age of 12 he has been given various divine dreams from Allah swt. about talking to Allah swt. behind the veil of Magnificent Lights through dreams and also meeting the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH, hugging and shaking hands with him PBUH. Since 2014, Qasim was ordered by Prophet Muhammad PBUH to spread his dreams to the entire Muslim Ummah in the world in order to save Pakistan to save Islam.
     
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    The ahadith/narrations are just political fabrications. Only the book of Bukhari alone is full with errors. You should uphold the Scripture alone, read the Quran and stop being brainwashed by these Saudis.

    PS: Do you really think the army of Afghanistan can do something against America. America is already on the moon and on mars. They can build their army bases on it and nuke the whole of Afghanistan if they really need to do that.
     
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    Also ironic how you turned blag flags into black fighter jets... Changing the words for your own agenda...
     
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    First, I don't understand what sect are you that you could darely say the Book of Bukhari alone is full of errors. The religion of Islam is incomplete if you only support this religion through al-Qur'an. There are so many good Islamic practices that are conveyed through Ahadith. The basic example: how to practice your salah and how to become a good husband or father in the family. al-Quran states that:

    There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often. Q.S. [33:21]

    Ahadith include the conducts of Noble Prophet Muhammad PBUH in his everyday life as an example for the ummah. If you really believed in al-Qur'an, you would have also believed in Ahadith.

    Second, did you even read my post? I don't think you did. I stated in my original post that the land of Islamic unity near Qiyamah is not Afghanistan but Pakistan because the Hadith says: MIN QABL KHORASAN and MIN QIBAALI MASHRIQ which means the promised land is somewhere beyond ancient Khorasan or beyond modern Afghanistan.

    I think what ironic is that not only you told me not to listen to Ahadith as they are mere "political fabrications" according to your view but you also disagree that "ar-raayaatu as-suud min qibaali mashriq" are black fighter jets instead of black flags when in fact there is no mention of this army anywhere in al-Qur'an.

    If you don't even believe in Ahadith, why do you even believe in black flags?

    And once again, why the black standards of Imam al-Mahdi are not flags? Because of these 2 things:

    Noble Porphet Muhammad PBUH says in the Hadith of Imam al-Mahdi's black standards of war (and you can read on your own the Arabic version of this Hadith because I do not change any portion of this Hadith thus your accusation of calling it as "my agenda" is invalid):

    (#1) TSUMMA (and then) TATHLU'U (will be rising) ar-raayaatussuud (black standards of war) min qibaali mashriq (from next to / towards the direction of east)

    You can check Surah al-Kahf verse 90 that TATHLU'U means rising like the sun and moon without any support unlike the flags that need a stick or a pole to support it.

    (#2) FAYAQTULUUNAKUM QATLALAM YUQTALAHU QAWM (thus they will kill you in unprecedented manner / in a way that has never been done by previous nations)

    It is a pure fact that black flags have been used during the time of Noble Prophet Muhammad PBUH and it will not be used ever again by Imam al-Mahdi because the way this army kills is unprecedented.
     
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    The ahadith is fabricated. Then you start changing black flags in black fighter jets.

    Fighter jets are already old.. and Pakistan is one of the latest nations to use fighter jets...
     
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    Quran is enough. Read 6:114.

    The ahadith are just a fabrication made by the Arabs who were against Muhammad. At first they were worshipping idols, and Muhammad tried to clean that. After Muhammad returned to God, they started inventing ahadith in the name of Muhammad.

    The Quran is enough. Read 6:114.

    But you people won't wake up. Judgement Day will sufficient. To you is your way and to me is mine.
     
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    Interesting! Do you believe he is the Mahdi?
     
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    The Quran doesn't mention a Mahdi.
    God said in the Quran in 6:114 that it is Fully Detailed. Why would God leave out such an event if it was true!

    And so can all other fabrications created in the narrations not be found in the Quran.
     
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    Well, the prophet, his companions and even some of the prophet's enemies are all mentioned in the Quran, not all of them by name. So, he could be in the Quran, why not?

    Some say he is even mentioned by "Isaiah" in the bible as well.

    I'm not saying that this man which is this thread about is him, just talking in general.
     
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    It is very easy to call something as fabricated, but objectively, mere words aren't equal a proof. You can keep calling this Hadith as "fabricated" but you can't actually come up with the proof since you object every other Ahadith ever recorded.

    This Hadith is well-known amongst the Muslims and even it has been discussed in many places and even the chain of narrators are all trusted. For other people who are curious, the isnad of this Hadith is:

    From Muhammad Bin Yahya & Ahmed Bn Yusuf
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim ]
    From ‘Abdur-Razzaq ibn Humam
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari]
    From Sufyan at-Thauri
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari]
    From Khalid ibn Mahran al-Hadha’
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari]
    From Abu Qilabah ‘Abdullah bin Zayd
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari]
    From Abu Asma’ al-Rahbi
    [ Thiqah – Sahih Muslim]
    From Tsauban the companion who received it from Rasulullah PBUH.

    And once again, I did not change a thing about this Hadith unlike your accusation but since you don't even believe in Ahadith (but somehow you seem to be supportive of black flags agenda), thus honestly speaking, there is no need to further discuss this matter between us because our believes are practically different.

    You said fighter jets are old when in fact its generation and its technology are still being developed by super power countries like USA and Russia and other developed and developing countries are also maintaining it diligently for the purpose of national security. Even to this day, fighter jets are still the strongest military standards of war with its speed, agility, attack power and other unique features such as its stealthiness, designs and engines. Fighter jets are no ordinary warplanes, brother. No offence but I think you are lacking in the "matter-as-fact" department.

    Quran [6:114] mentioned clearly that we should not use other Holy Books as the basic of law. I think you're just being ignorant. Show me one ayah in the Qur'an that says we cannot follow the words and conducts of the Prophet.

    Instead, like I said, even the Quran states that there are good examples in Muhammad PBUH and we won't know how he PBUH acts and speaks without the narrations of the companions. Even the passing generations when they became a Sultan, Caliphate or King, they will learn how to lead a nation through the narrations of the companions about how Rasulullah PBUH led his people back then.

    Even the way we practice our Salah comes from the narrations of the companions about how he PBUH prays. At this point, I really wonder how you are practicing your daily prayers all this time because there is no explanation about how to pray in the Qur'an. Or would you tell me that you don't even practice 5 times prayer?

    And there is also no guidance about sending duas / Shalawah to our beloved Prophet PBUH. I cannot imagine that there is a Muslim, due to his/her hatred towards the Arabs, would reject Ahadith and thus avoid praying 5 times a day and avoid sending Shalawah to our beloved Prophet PBUH. What an empty, lonely life as a Muslim that is.

    You may hate all the current Arabs. But our beloved Prophet PBUH was an Arab, do you hate him? And his PBUH trusted companions, like Umar ra., Abu Bakr ra., Uthman ra. and Ali ra. were all Arabs, do you hate them? Were they frauds to you? Even, you will not understand any verse of the Qur'an without its Asbab al-Nuzul and we learn about Asbab al-Nuzul through the companions of the Prophet PBUH. Or do you read the Qur'an without ever knowing what Asbab al-Nuzul is?

    You may use that Takfiri statement on me, but it doesn't faze me. Muslims tend to use Takfiri language when they are backed into a corner, any way.
     
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    Well I am more curious about 2 things:

    (1) How do you even come up with the possibility that I'd believe that the person I'm covering in this thread is the awaited Imam al-Mahdi?

    (2) Do you believe in Black Flags ideology (black flags of Imam al-Mahdi) rather than the black fighter jets squadron?
     
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    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck!

    It's the usual gig. His name Mohamed, 40 years old, from Quraish lineage, seeing divine dreams, and you quote the mahdi hadiths! Come on, all of them claim the same thing. They are all over the internet. Each with his own flavor to justify why it's him and not the others.

    Are you saying you don't believe he is the Mahdi?


    I try to focus more in the Quran and do more useful things in my life, so i don't pay that much attention to these mahdi claims. If it's true, then we will know about him after he appear and becomes a king, caliph or whatever, if not, then we wouldn't have wasted our time chasing dreams of wannabes!


    Peace,
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    What does the Quran say in 5:47? And 5:68?

    6:114 is talking about the Quran. 5:47 is saying that we people of the Gospel can Judge with the Gospel. 5:68 is saying that we people of the Book should uphold the Tora and the Gospel, else we are on nothing.

    But hey, you are to busy with narrations and following 'scholars' who are telling you that you can't understand the Quran and shouldn't read the Previous Scriptures.
     
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    From what I've read from Islamic scripture Muhammad Qasim bin Abdulkarim is definitely a sham. In Islam we don't follow some person simply because they claim they've been seeing dreams. And let's not forget he isn't the first of his kind to make these claims and won't be the last. The arrival of the Mahdi will be so obvious that we wouldn't need someone telling us from his dreams to follow Pakistani Army Jets or whatever to find the Mahdi.
     
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    The ahadith are just a fabrication made 300+/- years after the Revelation of the Quran. There are so many errors in the ahadith if you compare them to the Quran/Gospel/Tora/Holy Books of God.

    The whole mahdi fabrication is based on the Gospel and the Anti-Christ. They gave it their own twist.

    The Quran does say nothing about a mahdi. And i do not believe that God wouldn't tell us such an important event.
     
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    I'm guessing you don't perform salat because the there is nothing in the Quran that tells us how to.
     
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    The word salaat in Arabic lexicons means to follow God closely. And the Quran explains that we should follow God closely three times a day, in the morning, afternoon and evening, by reading the Quran. The best way to follow God closely is by listening to what He said and acting upon it. That's why the Quran says that the reading of the Quran in the morning is witnessed.

    I did both a study in the Quran and the other Holy Scriptures such as the Tora and the Gospel. And came to the same conclusion.

    PS: I also do not follow any sect anymore, and i do not believe in the trinity, the talmud nor the ahadith, they all contradict the Holy Scriptures.
     
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