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Bipartisan Group of Senators Against Scaling Down Troops In Germany

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by esmith, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. esmith

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    Which President ever did?
     
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    So do you agree or disagree with the Senators or the President on this point?
    Or are you just *****ing?
     
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    Germany has taken the world into two very serious major wars. I agree. Scaling down troops over there is a very bad idea.
     
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    Trump is continuing to do Putin's bidding, as nothing would make that former KGB head happier. So, why does Trump continue to refuse to say anything negative or punish Putin and the Russians even when it's clear what they're up to?

    And now we are to believe that Trump didn't know Putin's "hit list" on American troops even though we know he got the briefing in writing at least once. And even then we informed the Brits that their soldiers were also being targeted-- but not Trump???:rolleyes:

    Even if that were true that he was not informed, that would only show the near complete ineptness of his administration. As it is, they can't even keep their lies straight as they keep changing their stories.

    So, Trump had six phone calls with Putin starting in March, and yet we are to believe that none of the intelligence was known by Trump? Heck, even some of the Pubs in Congress have said they're "concerned" about this.

    unbelievable
     
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    Like pulling the troops out of the Turkish border so the Turks could slaughter the Kurds our allies.
     
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    I don't understand the reasoning. From the article:

    I am not sure I buy it. The US and Germany are both members of NATO, if Russia decided to go unhinged and pressure Western Europe, the US (and the rest of the members) would probably respond in kind against Russia.

    My uneducated guess is that those who are against have invested financial interest in the US war machine.
     
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    We had very few troops in that area and Turkey (who is our NATO ally) had made overtures of invading the Kurd territory. If we had left our handful of troops in the area they would have had minimal, if any, effect, and they would have unnecessarily been put in harm's way.
     
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    OK, I like the first part of the plan (US troops out of Germany) but like Iraq, he isn't really remembering his promise to "bring the troops home" but instead relocate them to Poland. And that (@metis ), is not going to be cheered by Putin. In fact it is against a treaty NATO has with Russia.
    So, preferably, bring the troops home, but when that isn't possible, get them out of Germany - without breaking any treaties.
     
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    Turkey menaced to invade and did invade Northern Syria on several occasions during the Syrian Civil War. Had you kept you troops there, the Turks could not have risked an assault on US positions without triggering a war between the two country. Each time the Turks made an incursion in Northern Syria it was after other international forces withdrawned and with the objective of preventing the Syrian Kurds to create a stable autonomous zone.

    Their significant first operation saw them invade a ISIS controlled territory surrounding Jarabulus and al-Bab with for objective the town of Manbij. The former too were taken by Turkish forces, but Manbij was seized by the Kurds from ISIS. Since then, the town has been shelled numerous times by the Turks sometime in coordination with ISIS assaults on the position back when they still were a threat in the region.

    The attack on Afrin's canton was executed only after the Russians withdrawn their troops from the region and was designed to boost the popularity of Erdogan which was in decline at the time. It of course targetted the Kurds most western territory and was isolated by the prior attack from the rest of the self proclaimed zone of Rojava. Their latest operation followed the same pattern of waiting before international troops withdraw before launching an attack with at its head of course militias trained and armed by the Turks and supported by Turkish airforce, artillery and tanks.
     
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    I'm not sure Putin would advocate pulling troops out of Germany.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Not sure our presence would have stopped them...
     
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    I agree with the bill. Re-peach!
     
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    Of course there is no such thing as a 100% certainty in such discussion, but considering that it had stopped them for over two years prior and that all their precedent invasion were done while no international forces were in their way, it's a very safe bet to say "yes it would have stopped them".
     
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    I think that by this time Erdogan had made up his mind and, with the ME in flames, felt that the time was right. I think he felt that the US did not want to become embroiled in another shooting war in the area. Of course, this is just my opinion.
     
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    I'm pretty sure he doesn't advocate them being relocated to Poland.
     
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    Wow didn't know we had that many hawks on this forum?
    Or is it because it is President Trump's idea??????
     
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    ^^^This. The military-industrial complex has serious hooks in leaders of both parties.
     
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