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Bill limiting sharia law proposed in England

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by Marble, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. Marble

    Marble Rolling Marble

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    Now, I think that's good.
    I am very much against those Sharia courts, whoever lives in a country has to submit to that country's laws, no exceptions.
     
  2. Kathryn

    Kathryn Most Spoiled Woman Ever

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    It's about time the UK started trying to get a grip on this matter.
     
  3. Marble

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    Do such "courts" exist in the USA too?
     
  4. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    Had a posting with another member just last night.
    A discussion about Islamic law and government.

    I did ask if the Muslim world was moving toward scripture and law as one.

    She didn't seen to think so...and quoted some scripture to show why not.

    just saying.
     
  5. Kathryn

    Kathryn Most Spoiled Woman Ever

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    My personal experience with American Muslims has been very positive. I have several Muslim customers and friends, and without exception they seem very moderate - and are an asset to our community.

    The Muslims I know are grateful to be living in a country which embraces, not freedom FROM religion, but freedom OF religion.

    Here is an excellent article on sharia and Muslims in the US:

    The American Muslim (TAM)

    I am sure that there are some radical elements of Islam today in the US, just as there are radical elements of other fundamentalist religions. Just as our government keeps an eye on other extremist, separatist groups, they should keep an eye on these jokers as well.

    But I think there's a difference, GENERALLY SPEAKING, between US and European Muslims, and I speak as a person who has lived in Europe and seen this first hand.

    Many European Muslims are refugees, and also illegal immigrants. They come from desperate situations and many have lost everything they ever had to war and violence - or have immediate family members who have. Naturally, this brings with it emotional baggage and extreme political views. The more oppressed a group is, the more it bands together and strives for strength and a sense of identity - and often has a sense of victimization as a rallying point. This feeds extremism.

    Most Muslims living in the US do not have that sort of personal history. Many of them have come to the US specifically because they enjoy and relish the freedoms the US offers, and they wouldn't want to see that changed at all. Also, it's a lot more difficult to get from a warzone across the world to the US - so our Muslim population is largely affluent, educated, etc. as opposed to the growing Muslim populations in many parts of Europe.

    That's my take on it. I do not fear my Muslim neighbors here in the US.
     
  6. Tarheeler

    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon
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    We do have religious courts in the US (Just about every religion has some form of it), but the difference is that their rulings carry no legal weight. Participants must agree to be subject to their jurisdiction and to be bound to the decisions, much like civil arbitration and mediation.
     
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    from the article:

    This is very disturbing to me, but not for the reason you're thinking. If Shariah law is being applied properly and is "fair", why would women ever have to appeal to the British (or any other) court? Obviously the Shariah law isn't being applied properly. Until it is (and it's darn near impossible to do so) then it should be limited. It is true that many Muslims have left their homeland to escape the horribly executed form of Shariah law. The Muslims I know here in the US would not allow Shariah law to exist here...for this very reason.
     
  8. YmirGF

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    And that, my friend, is the very reason to not allow Shariah into our countries. I often think, when listening to Muslims who would like to see Shariah implemented in our countries, "Would I want these people running anything?" The answer is usually, "No!" For some reason, Muslims who do not want to see any form of Shariah implemented are not really focused on. Oddly, you would think they should be the first people we should listen to. It's a bit difficult to label a Muslim as being Islamophobic.
     
  9. Mike182

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    Good job these courts aren't exceptions to English law then.

    Why do you use the word 'difference' when they work the same way?
     
  10. Tarheeler

    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon
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    Because the article states that the decisions of religious courts are upheld by the county courts and high court in cases of financial and property issues. This is not true in the US.

    If the article is in error, I'd suggest contacting the author and demanding a correction.
     
  11. xkatz

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    Why is Sharia even legal in the UK to begin with?
     
  12. Marble

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    I wonder too.
     
  13. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Sharia Law in itself carries no weight in the UK,Muslims like any other resident can turn to Civil Law if the parties involved agree,there is nothing serious decided in such courts.
     
  14. Bismillah

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    My my we have all types of experts chipping in their two cents, let alone the fact that the vast majority of our esteemed pundits continually refer to Shariah with the redundant modifier "law". That alone speaks volumes about the intellect and honesty of this type of criticism.

    Of course idiots who run in circle shouting Shariah are all too common

    Understanding Sharia Law
     
  15. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Thats true enough Bis,seeing that the majority of those shouting Shariah are Muslims means there must be a problem with understanding their own religion,go figure.:rolleyes:
     
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