And on this case, from the opposite side of the political spectrum, I agree with you.
The mere fact that we agree on a point makes the validity of the point evident.
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Big Brother Is Watching
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The mere fact that we agree on a point makes the validity of the point evident.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Heyo
Veteran Member
You don't even have to do something "wrong"or something that might be seen as wrong in the future. An example our Prof loved to cite was what happened at a big, Bavarian based car manufacturer. Some consultant had told them that their workers were too old on average. So they did some data mining (in an age when the term "data mining" wasn't even invented). By comparing 4 data points they found that many older employees used the company bus, were female and in the lowest wage class (i.e. cleaning women). Getting rid of them wouldn't drain any knowledge and they were also unlikely to buy a car to get to work. They simply cancelled the company bus and the women had to quit. This wouldn't have been possible without computer aid and the few unsuspicious data points.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
One would think it would have stopped since Snowden.
If a stranger walked behind you all day and kept staring and followed you wherever you go, I'm pretty sure the police would be called for a stalker. Problem now is that the govt and corporations are doing the stalking.
It's authoritarianism 101 and a horrible intrusion into a persons right to privacy.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I'm in the process of setting up my new smartphone and it is a pain in the back to do that without using google. In theory Android is an open source system based on Linux. In praxis google has inserted itself so deeply that it's hard to get rid of and still have a working phone.
And I don't even try to be "off grid". I just want a little bit of privacy.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
A general rule of thumb, If you put something on a computer, cell phone, smart tv, etc. you are sharing it with the world.
Anything you do not want to share, do not put it on anything that uses electricity.
Otherwise it may very well make it online for the whole world to see.
I don't think I'm anyone important enough for the power that be to waste any time on.
@Ostronomos had better watch out though.
esmith
Veteran Member
Wasn't that what the Jewish people thought in the middle to late 30's in Germany?
I like the quote from Snowden: "Saying you don't mind surveillance because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't mind censorship because you don't have anything to say." (Or something like that, but you get the idea.)
You are more to the right than I am but I am unsure of your position on a smaller government. Would you be in favor of federal legislation? A government committee? I am not sure what would work well but I will agree that something needs to be done here. It has been brought up numerous times and we are well past due.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
It's been an open secret for years that American Muslims have been predominantly put under surveillance under the umbrella of PATRIOT Act measures, so either we are to believe that Muslims are of supreme importance (which I'm sure will please a few resident followers of Islam here) or that the clandestine services of the US government wasted a lot of their time on unimportant people of specific demographics for no good reason.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes, that's the one I use too.I like DuckDuckGo if only for the splash of flames when you hit clear data.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Nonono... Even worse. They are waterboarding him in a vat of Trump's orange lotion.
esmith
Veteran Member
I don't like the idea of the government getting too involved in regulating business or peoples personal actions unless it directly compromises public safety or national security. The only problem is how much involvement is too much?
As far as social media goes, if one is okay with the world knowing what you think, eat, purchase, to name only a few then that's their problem.
As far as on-line shopping goes, I admit I use it, especially during this pamdemic. Would I like to see an option that one would have to opt into allowing a company to gather data about you? Yeah, I would like to see that, but then the argument would be they have to do that to cover some of their cost. But, I for one woould be open to paying a "users fee" to exclude them from gathering data. Then again there is no way to guarantee that your information is secure once it goes on the internet.
Basically your dammed if you use it or inconvinced if you don't use it.
As far as social media goes, if one is okay with the world knowing what you think, eat, purchase, to name only a few then that's their problem.
As far as on-line shopping goes, I admit I use it, especially during this pamdemic. Would I like to see an option that one would have to opt into allowing a company to gather data about you? Yeah, I would like to see that, but then the argument would be they have to do that to cover some of their cost. But, I for one woould be open to paying a "users fee" to exclude them from gathering data. Then again there is no way to guarantee that your information is secure once it goes on the internet.
Basically your dammed if you use it or inconvinced if you don't use it.
esmith
Veteran Member
Yes a person with differerent ideas, phlosophy, etc than some.
You are free to believe what you want.
It's power really. And whether the powers that be sees it as a threat or not.
IOW, I doubt they see me as a threat. Other people, groups, maybe they do. That's who needs to worry.
Personally, I'd prefer not to give the federal government any more power. It's not a good idea.
Fear drives people more than freedom though. People who have power will always use that. It doesn't matter which party they belong to.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
So are you, but from what I found, the evidence seems to lean only one way concerning this issue:
Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On
ACLU Seeks Records About FBI Collection Of Racial And Ethnic Data In 29 States And D.C.
Didn't he have a bowl strapped to his stomach with a rat inside?