Biden's Policies Hurting Small Businesses

[ADigitalArtist]

And the socialists are all demanding that government
run things because it's so fair & efficient.

You're turning into a Fox News Republican in your old age. Calling anything you don't like socialism.

Sorry your business doesn't deserve to force people to starve or take your breadcrumbs. Middle finger to anyone who is upset at minimum wage increase or worker aid programs.

 

[Kooky]

Are you blaming the local Walmart for the lack of a supermarket?
Didn't supermarkets destroy the small grocers & butchers?

This post is what prompted my question here:

Where do you imagine these people would get their food from? Do you know of any examples where people set up their own private food distribution network without relying on a new market chain setting up shop in their neighbourhood?

You stated that "anyone who hates Walmart can just not shop there", but offered no solution to people who are basically stuck shopping at Walmart for lack of a viable alternative in their neighbourhood. In the ideal market society as characterized in this thread, people are either supposed to create their own local supermarket chains, or just passively wait for some other entrepreneur to solve their problem.

This is just devolving into "unproductive bickering" as you are so fond of saying.
If you want to continue this conversation, I suggest you bring something new to the table.

 

[icehorse]

You say it's false.
Perhaps you make no distinction between capitalism & socialism?
I say it's cromulent.
BTW, would you like me to supply you with some links to dictionaries?
I could do that.

A false dilemma - as I'm certain you know - is to paint a situation as having only two choices, when in fact many more choices exist. In this case, you're implying that our only choices are capitalism or socialism and this is simply not true. There are many other choices.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're turning into a Fox News Republican in your old age. Calling anything you don't like socialism.

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Sorry your business doesn't deserve to force people to starve or take your breadcrumbs. Middle finger to anyone who is upset at minimum wage increase or worker aid programs.

Actually, I'm the one poster on RF who chides both the looney
left & the rabid right about mis-using the term "sociaism".
BTW, my workers love their breadcrumbs.
And you're more the Republican than I am.
After all, I'm a certified progressive.

 

[Revoltingest]

This post is what prompted my question here:


You stated that "anyone who hates Walmart can just not shop there", but offered no solution to people who are basically stuck shopping at Walmart for lack of a viable alternative in their neighbourhood. In the ideal market society as characterized in this thread, people are either supposed to create their own local supermarket chains, or just passively wait for some other entrepreneur to solve their problem.

This is just devolving into "unproductive bickering" as you are so fond of saying.
If you want to continue this conversation, I suggest you bring something new to the table.

Where do you find Walmarts, but no other stores
offering an alternative. I suspect that this is an
invented/hypothetical problem. It smells of straw.

 

[Kooky]

More correctly...
Minimum wage is a government policy
that can be employed under capitalism.

It can only be employed under capitalism, making it a capitalist policy.
So people can't be socialist simply for argueing in favor of minimum wage.

 

[Kooky]

Where do you find Walmarts, but no other stores
offering an alternative. I suspect that this is an
invented/hypothetical problem. It smells of straw.

It wasn't a Walmart, we don't have those here, but I've been to plenty of neighbourhoods that don't have more than a single supermarket.

But I guess any anecdote that contradicts your anecdotes has to be fake and therefore must be inadmissible as evidence in support of an argument.

 

[Revoltingest]

A false dilemma - as I'm certain you know - is to paint a situation as having only two choices, when in fact many more choices exist. In this case, you're implying that our only choices are capitalism or socialism and this is simply not true. There are many other choices.

You're exhibitnig the false false dilemma fallacy.
Capitalism & socialism have different definitions.
I prefer being exploited by the former to the latter.
Did I say there are no other choices?
No, I didn't.
So I see thru your crafty crafty tricks, buster.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Actually, I'm the one poster on RF who chides both the looney
left & the rabid right about mis-using the term "sociaism".
BTW, my workers love their breadcrumbs.
And you're more the Republican than I am.
After all, I'm a certified progressive.

And yet you used socialism here incorrectly. Huh, go figure.

You are progressing towards something alright. Probably not what you're thinking though.

 

[Revoltingest]

It can only be employed under capitalism, making it a capitalist policy.
So people can't be socialist simply for argueing in favor of minimum wage.

Why couldn't socialism have a minimum wage?
Such systems do pay wages, ya know.
Ref....
North Korea | Average Salary Survey 2021

BTW, note how I made a specific claim, ie, that socialist
countries pay wages, & offered a link in support of the
claim....not in lieu of the claim. This is how it's done.

 

[Revoltingest]

It wasn't a Walmart, we don't have those here, but I've been to plenty of neighbourhoods that don't have more than a single supermarket.

I once lived in a town that had only a general store.
It was very small.
A reasonable person wouldn't expect a supermarket
to locate in such a rural area.

But I guess any anecdote that contradicts your anecdotes has to be fake and therefore must be inadmissible as evidence in support of an argument.

Your anecdote was simply that a town didn't have a supermarket.
It neither proves nor disproves nothing.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Over-paying for unemployment gives the recipient money,
& it's questionable whether this really helps them or others.
If this inspires people to eschew work for staying on the
dole, this is an awful result. Moreover, I know many who
continue to work (off government radar) while collecting
unemployment benefits. It's a sloppy give-away program.

As for Walmart....that's business competition, which is
the customer deciding who survives & who doesn't.
This is useful.

That is why, in Canada, unemployment insurance pays a percentage (55%, actually, which is well under 100%) of the individual's average earnings over recent years -- up to a maximum (so you are not paying huge amounts to people who earned bundles), and for a fixed period. This means that they can survive, but always do much better by finding another job.

Of course, having a reasonable minimum wage helps. In Ontario, that is presently $14.25/hr. So you can see that if someone has been earning $14.25/hr for the last 5 years, then they will be getting the equivalent of $7.81 per hour while unemployed.

 

[Kooky]

Why couldn't socialism have a minimum wage?
Such systems do pay wages, ya know.

Because in a socialist system, wages are not based on an individual company's choice to begin with, therefore making a specific minimum wage law superfluous. It's a category error, therefore, to call such a system a "minimum wage" because all wages are set by collective bodies or institutions.

Calling for a minimum wage only makes sense, therefore, in a system where wages are otherwise not under government or working class control.

Ref....
North Korea | Average Salary Survey 2021

BTW, note how I made a specific claim, ie, that socialist
countries pay wages, & offered a link in support of the
claim....not in lieu of the claim. This is how it's done.

Can you provide a detailed summary what's behind that link and how it is relevant to your argument? I'm too lazy to click.

 

[Revoltingest]

And yet you used socialism here incorrectly. Huh, go figure.

Do you have a personal war against dictionaries?

You are progressing towards something alright. Probably not what you're thinking though.

Liberty, tolerance, prosperity, fairness, peace....all
things that threaten so many here.

 

[esmith]

So in order for people to have any choice at all in where they shop, they have to pray that another supermarket chain settles within their vicinity, and hope that their business sustains it well enough for that supermarket to remain profitable.

That's the way it works. Don't like it go to a country that the government is the business owner

 

[icehorse]

Did I say there are no other choices?
No, I didn't.

Own your do-do

 

[Kooky]

That's the way it works. Don't like it go to a country that the government is the business owner

Exactly. In a "free" market, employees and customers have no choice, and are only passive recipients of corporate policy.
The only "freedom" in this system is capitalists deciding where to invest their capital to grow it even faster.

 

[Kooky]

Do you have a personal war against dictionaries?

"Dictionaries are only for providing commonly used definitions. They cannot prove political & economic claims."

 

[Revoltingest]

Because in a socialist system, wages are not based on an individual company's choice to begin with, therefore making a specific minimum wage law superfluous. It's a category error, therefore, to call such a system a "minimum wage" because all wages are set by collective bodies or institutions.

Calling for a minimum wage only makes sense, therefore, in a system where wages are otherwise not under government or working class control.

Even collectives can set wages for some at less
than it takes to thrive, eg, N Korea.

I'm too lazy to click.

I know.
Consider this when providing links without your own commentary.
It doesn't inspire accommodation.

 

[esmith]

Exactly. In a "free" market, employees and customers have no choice, and are only passive recipients of corporate policy.
The only "freedom" in this system is capitalists deciding where to invest their capital to grow it even faster.

Fine, when are you purchasing you plane ticket?