Biden's Policies Hurting Small Businesses

[icehorse]

Anyway, do you know the wages are less than
those paid by the businesses they out-competed?

Yes, because in their short-sighted fashion they offer lower prices. But you and I help pay for those lower prices even if we never shop there. Because part of our taxes go to supporting their full time workers that don't make a living wage.

You & no one else provided any basis for this.

According to this link: Wal-Mart Subsidy Watch - brought to you by Good Jobs First

- Walmart has received over a billion dollars of public money (aka, our tax dollars) in various forms of subsidies.
- Taxpayers also subsidize Walmart by paying some of the healthcare costs of its employees.

So I'm paying tax dollars so that the Walton family can be billionaires. Sounds parasitic to me.

 

[PureX]

I side with both.
Let the best competitor win.

You mean let the biggest monopoly win. The one that can pay the most bribe money to legislators to gain the biggest commercial advantages and tax breaks. The ones that can bribe the local politicians and officials to gain tax-free land purchases and free infrastructure deals for their big box stores that the community (and their competitors) then have to pay for.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, because in their short-sighted fashion they offer lower prices. But you and I help pay for those lower prices even if we never shop there. Because part of our taxes go to supporting their full time workers that don't make a living wage.

Do you have any evidence that Walmart wages
are less than in the businesses it replaced?

According to this link: Wal-Mart Subsidy Watch - brought to you by Good Jobs First

- Walmart has received over a billion dollars of public money (aka, our tax dollars) in various forms of subsidies.
- Taxpayers also subsidize Walmart by paying some of the healthcare costs of its employees.

Is this any different from the businesses Walmart replaced?

So I'm paying tax dollars so that the Walton family can be billionaires. Sounds parasitic to me.

You've not made the case that Walmart is a greater
burden than...you know.
Also, if we assume that Walmart employees have the
best jobs they could find, then aren't other employers
even worse?

 

[esmith]

This is just an anecdote!
Where are your statistics!

Statistics? They can't handle my statistics!

 

[Revoltingest]

You mean let the biggest monopoly win. The one that can pay the most bribe money to legislators to gain the biggest commercial advantages and tax breaks. The ones that can bribe the local politicians and officials to gain tax-free land purchases and free infrastructure deals for their big box stores that the community (and their competitors) then have to pay for.

What evidence do you offer that Walmart bribes legislators?
How do you justify the claim that Walmart is a monopoly?

 

[Stevicus]

I don't know where you live but we have a Albertsons directly across the street from Walmart. We prefer Albertsons grocery items (even though they are more expensive) over Walmart and we go to the local butcher shop for some of our meat; although Albertsons has excellent meat. Also we earn gasoline points at Albertsons which really helps with the cost of gasoline when we don't have a reason to go to Costco. In addition we have numerous grocery stores within a 5-10 mile radius (of course it is 8 miles into town for us)

It seems that only the giant supermarket chains (such as Albertsons/Safeway or any of the chains owned by Kroger) can survive these days. I recall when there were more grocery stores which were more convenient, but many of them have closed. There used to be Alpha Beta/ABCO, Luckys, and a number of smaller chains which shut down. I've seen a number of major intersections which used to have grocery stores on the corners turn into something else (or they remain as vacant, boarded-up storefronts).

There's a Fry's supermarket nearby where I live, although it's owned by Kroger and has Kroger brand products. Kroger is a huge chain which can compete with Walmart, but it's kind of like having to choose between the Democrats and the Republicans.

 

[icehorse]

Is this any different from the businesses Walmart replaced?

How many small businesses to you know of (since you're a fan of anecdotes), that got free or subsidized land to start their business?

Also, if we assume that Walmart employees have the
best jobs they could find, then aren't other employers
even worse?

No, after Walmart drives out the competition, Walmart employees have the ONLY jobs they could find, not the best ones.

 

[Revoltingest]

How many small businesses to you know of (since you're a fan of anecdotes), that got free or subsidized land to start their business?

FYI, I oppose subsidies like granting property tax reductions.
But my question was about wages in Walmart vs businesses it replaced.

No, after Walmart drives out the competition, Walmart employees have the ONLY jobs they could find, not the best ones.

There are no other businesses to work for when Walmart comes to down?

 

[Kooky]

I don't know where you live but we have a Albertsons directly across the street from Walmart. We prefer Albertsons grocery items (even though they are more expensive) over Walmart and we go to the local butcher shop for some of our meat; although Albertsons has excellent meat. Also we earn gasoline points at Albertsons which really helps with the cost of gasoline when we don't have a reason to go to Costco. In addition we have numerous grocery stores within a 5-10 mile radius (of course it is 8 miles into town for us)

So in order for people to have any choice at all in where they shop, they have to pray that another supermarket chain settles within their vicinity, and hope that their business sustains it well enough for that supermarket to remain profitable.

 

[Kooky]

In fairness, I can kind of understand where @Revoltingest is coming from on this point, at least when it comes to the posting of links or videos. If I can, I usually try to post key excerpts or give a brief summary as to the subject matter, since more than a few people are put off by links to long articles or long videos.

This is more like Short Attention-Span Theater.

I was literally posting the link to the question what subsidies there are for Walmart. It's literally a big list for subsidies. I can't imagine a more comprehensive answer.

This isn't a chat room or a comment section, where you have to more rapidly or conversations sink and never recover. I could literally come back after a week, having read and digested all links posted here, and pick up the conversation.

The only barrier to having a satisfying answer in that context is an irrational aversion to clicking on links.

 

[Revoltingest]

So in order for people to have any choice at all in where they shop, they have to pray that another supermarket chain settles within their vicinity, and hope that their business sustains it well enough for that supermarket to remain profitable.

Prayer is unnecessary.
I've never even tried it, yet I've a plethora
of businesses to choose from.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I see tye Ayn Rand corporatists are still fixed to their religious fervor that 'the market corrects itself,' the biggest myth of them all.
But anyway, here's a meme for this very 'concern.'

I have no sympathy, none at all for businesses who whine that people are getting a leg up during the systemic worker abuse offered by any business, large or small.
If you can't run a business without worker exploitation than your business should fail.
Too bad the free market will absolutely not correct this trend because it benefits the corporations to bury worker aid programs.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was literally posting the link to the question what subsidies there are for Walmart. It's literally a big list for subsidies. I can't imagine a more comprehensive answer.

A comprehensive answer would have more than a link you
expect someone to read in order to divine your understanding.

 

[Kooky]

Prayer is unnecessary.
I've never even tried it, yet I've a plethora
of businesses to choose from.

I've been to towns with literally a single supermarket. Can you explain what choice the people living there would have?

 

[Revoltingest]

I see tye Ayn Rand corporatists are still fixed to their religious fervor that 'the market corrects itself,' the biggest myth of them all.
But anyway, here's a meme for this very 'concern.'
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I have no sympathy, none at all for businesses who whine that people are getting a leg up during the systemic worker abuse offered by any business, large or small.
If you can't run a business without worker exploitation than your business should fail.
Too bad the free market will absolutely not correct this trend because it benefits the corporations to bury worker aid programs.

And the socialists are all demanding that government
run things because it's so fair & efficient.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've been to towns with literally a single supermarket. Can you explain what choice the people living there would have?

Are you blaming the local Walmart for the lack of a supermarket?
Didn't supermarkets destroy the small grocers & butchers?

 

[Kooky]

And the socialists are all demanding that government
run things because it's so fair & efficient.

Minimum wage is a capitalist policy, remember?

 

[icehorse]

And the socialists are all demanding that government
run things because it's so fair & efficient.

Back to your FALSE DILEMMA again

 

[Revoltingest]

Minimum wage is a capitalist policy, remember?

More correctly...
Minimum wage is a government policy
that can be employed under capitalism.

 

[Revoltingest]

Back to your FALSE DILEMMA again

You say it's false.
Perhaps you make no distinction between capitalism & socialism?
I say it's cromulent.
BTW, would you like me to supply you with some links to dictionaries?
I could do that.