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Bidens first threat to America. Bring back Obummer care.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Twilight Hue, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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  2. ChristineM

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    Why do right wing americans object so vehemently to less well off getting healthcare? I find it a sad state for a big section humanity to be so selfish
     
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  3. ADigitalArtist

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    I'm not a fan of obamacare either. I want real healthcare for impoverished Americans. Not a deal with private insurance to make sure everyone is paying them.
    Let's skip the wishy washy and get real universal Healthcare like the rest of civilized society.
     
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  4. ChristineM

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    That would be a better solution but i don't see the american right actually caring for anyone other than themselves
     
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  5. Saint Frankenstein

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    I don't understand why they can't just expand the Medicaid program and make it a public option for those who want it. They play too many unnecessary games, both the Dems and the Reps.
     
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    Of the 20 most industrialized countries, we are the only one that does not have universal coverage. Thus, we still have millions of Americans without health care insurance, and this leads to more deaths. OTOH, the ACA needs fixing because one thing we knew it wouldn't properly address is medical inflation.

    Basically, it's a piecemeal approach that needs serious adjustments, and roughly between 70-80% of all personal bankruptcies here in the States at least partially relates to excessive medical cost.

    The hold-up is clear, namely that Republicans in federal office have socialized medicine for themselves but don't want it for others. Hypocrisy much?
     
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  7. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    It's so ****ty here it looks my only real viable option to move up in financial ranks without my medical needs sinking me is I'm going to have to move to another country, or continue to spend thousands for healthcare with private insurance.
    I think it's a hangover from when having abundance meant gods blessing amd favor, combined with this fantasy that obtaining everything and anything you want here is as easy as working for it.
     
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    The irony is that many of these folks need it!

    Ahh, party over people.
     
  9. Sunstone

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    The ACA has managed to get millions of Americans health insurance that they didn't have before. However, it's the screwiest damn thing since the breeding of 'toy dogs' to humor the noblewomen of France. It needs to be replaced by single-payer universal health care with the option of choosing to be privately insured for those who want private insurance and can afford it.
     
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  10. QuestioningMind

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    You know what's an even a greater threat to America? Having 50% of the population so phenomenally ignorant that they vehemently oppose Obama Care while also overwhelmingly supporting the Affordable Care Act. They're like puppets on a string... their masters flick their wrists and they dance in whatever manner they wish.
     
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  11. Revoltingest

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    I object to punishing people who can't afford Obamacare with financial penalties.
    Counter-productive, eh.
    We need a better, simpler, fairer, more cost effective approach to universal health care.
     
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  12. Left Coast

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    Some people have suggested that. I can't remember the reasons why but economists have tended to recommend that Medicare rather than Medicaid be expanded (either as a public option or single payer system).
     
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  13. Left Coast

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    If people can't afford one of Obamacare's private plans, they should automatically qualify for either Medicaid or Medicare, no doubt.
     
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  14. Saint Frankenstein

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    Thanks, I will look into that.
     
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    "Should" is the operative word.
    I dislike this hodgepodge, with all these separate
    complex & inadequate government programs.
    Sumthin tells me that government is ill equipped
    to design something I'd like during my lifetime.
     
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    Our system is unnecessarily complicated, no doubt. My partner just went to see a spinal specialist today, as he'll likely need surgery. For him to get the appointment, a second referral had to be placed by his primary care doc (even though he's already seen this specialist...). Specialist recommended he sees a surgeon, so she placed the referral for that as well as an order for a fresh MRI, both of which now have to be approved by the primary, for some reason? And then be approved by insurance. Just to schedule. And then who knows how long it'll be before he's actually seen, or beyond that how far out surgeries are booking. Sigh.
     
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    Because a majority of folks prefer the health care they got. Unions and government workers usually negotiate a pretty good deal. Obamacare costs these folks more and are afraid of more of the same.

    US politicians don't seem well equipped to deal with healthcare. Too many vested financial interests involved with our government I suspect.
     
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    I think our US government is. Australia had a pretty system when I lived there.

    Many doctors there worked out of their homes. I suspect we have too many big hospitals to pay for along with all of the administrator salaries.

    Our current healthcare system is a big money sink.
     
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    Long long ago, I was discussing politics with a psychiatrist tenant.
    I opined that the Nazis won the war, & are now in charge of us.
    More highly educated than I, he corrected me....the Soviets won,
    & they now rule us. (Nazis would've been far more efficient.)
     
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    Come and live in a civilised country in Europe for a year or two - you would soon shrug off the dogma.
    The NHS is great, I get free medicine, free doctor's appointments, free ambulances,pre-natal, natal and anti-natal care is free, free operations, etc.
    btw If I want, I can still go private and pay for my care.

    Yes, I know my taxes are increased but my anxiety level is significantly reduced.
     
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