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Biden to unveil gun control measures, appoint ATF chief

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Stevicus, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:40 AM.

  1. Stevicus

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    President Joe Biden to unveil gun control measures, appoint ATF chief - UPI.com

    I never heard of "ghost guns" before.

    Apparently ghost guns are sold in parts, where criminals can buy these kits and put them together in less than 30 minutes.

    The new ATF chief is a former Federal agent and gun control advocate.

    It appears that Biden is serious about addressing issues with gun violence, but if past experience is anything to go by, it's going to be a huge political battle.
     
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    and your right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed upon

    no wait...........
     
  3. Twilight Hue

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    But they all say criminal elements buy from Sam's Legal Eagle Gun Emporium at the corner of 5th and 3rd Avenue!

    Now they will have to go to Big Tony's Russian Kiosk behind the pool hall in the alley on Budda Bing Boulevard. Just look for the blue Yugo and say Big Tony sent ya for a 5 % discount on your first purchase!
     
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    It's not going to pass anyways.
     
  5. Stevicus

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    I'm just curious about these kits they mentioned in the article. Who makes them, and where they are bought and sold? I'm wondering if home gunsmithing might become the new fad, just like homebrewing beer.
     
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    Gun culture in the US is wild. I hate it.
     
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    it's a strange world
    I have been watching a young guy with a serious fascination for fire arms
    but I think his funding for his channel got yanked

    he was reviewing and comparing soooooooooooo many firearms

    some of which skirt the current law
    buy one now because they will disappear....that sort of thing

    but I saw over and over......
    explanation how the gun in his left hand.....was legal
    and the gun in his right hand.....not

    I am now thoroughly convinced......our law makers know SQUAT about firearms

    and they don't care

    they are knee jerking to public outcry

    and most people......yes it's true......know SQUAT about firearms

    shall we have another thread to address the REAL problem?
     
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    have machines...
    and beer....
    soon to retire

    what to do.....what to do
     
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  9. Twilight Hue

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    It's what got the freedoms you enjoy.

    It can also take away freedoms as well.

    I think its a matter of perception and risk assessment.

    I don't trust the government as much as others do.
     
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    I certainly don't deny the history, but the culture that surrounds it is alarming. It is unique to the US and, in my opinion, is not something we should be proud of. We can have responsible firearm usage and have reasonable legislation to help curb gun violence. It is possible to have both.
     
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    There is, and compromise is still a good thing.

    On one hand there is still constitutional protections as the 2nd amendment and on the other there are issues that do need addressing in wake of mass murder and standing by doing nothing at all is not a solution either.

    I don't think firearms are the core problem though. It's the mentality of people today that needs to be looked at more.
     
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    A fetish that's become an addiction.
     
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    Another problem is we don't have very good data on the problem, right? It's abstract and always moving. It is a grey area for sure and I don't think anyone has much confidence in how to solve the issues we are talking about, sadly. :(
     
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    What freedom did it get exactly?
     
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    We have mountains of data. And we have very workable solutions. What we don't have is the will.

    The solution is to regulate ownership similar to the way we regulate motor vehicle use. And then impose heavy penalties on anyone who defies the regulation. It's not about denying people the right to own and use guns. It's about making sure that those who do so are and will continue doing so responsibly. That means they can show that they know the relevant laws, the necessary procedures and practices, are safe and proficient in handling, use, and can hit what they aim at. It also means they are willing to forfeit their license to own and use deadly weapons for any incidence of violence, stalking, threatening, domestic abuse, alcohol or drug abuse, or mental-emotional instability. (And of course, criminal activity.)

    Show that you know how to own and use such weapons responsibly, and you can do so if you choose. But if you get caught defying this responsibility, you pay a very real and heavy price.

    It's simple.
     
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    More freedom than China has.
     
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    And yet most other developed countries without toxic gun culture somehow still manage to be way better than this one.
     
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    Hmm... I don't know about "ghost guns," but my brother got an AR15 kit via the mail. All the legal by mail pieces were shipped to him, and all he had to do is buy the remaining pieces from a third party seller to assemple his gun. I think the whole process cost him some $1,500. Seems like a waste of money to me... He doesn't even take the thing out shooting. It's just something he has that takes up space in his gun safe.

    It's his money, but I'd rather just get a hunting rifle - something that actually has a purpose (outside of warfare) and is much more practical.
     
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    You do realize that they do not enforce the current laws don't you?....Obviously not.
     
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    Why is it always that we use examples of nations with dictators when we say "at least we aren't..." I mean, if we have to look for places with terrible living conditions or oppression to make ourselves seem better, what does that say about us and the reality of our situation?
     
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