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Biden angers France, EU with new Australia, UK initiative

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Stevicus, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. Stevicus

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    Biden angers France, EU with new Australia, UK initiative (apnews.com)

    The new security initiative is called "AUKUS," similar to the longstanding ANZUS treaty or the AUSCANNZUKUS, also known as "Five Eyes."

    The French and other European powers are incensed by being left out and not being consulted.

    I wonder why they wouldn't include France or other Allied nations. That does seem strange.
     
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  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Ye bring em on board. Anyone against Communist China are my buddies.
     
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    No it's because France made a 60 billion deal with Australia. France was going to make them diesel fueled submarines; but now they've been totally scooped by the USA/UK who offer Australia nuclear powered submarines. That's why France is mad. I guess I don't blame them but can't blame Australia either for choosing the better deal.
     
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  4. Nakosis

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    Glad Biden is pissing someone off. If you're not pissing people off, you're not doing your job.
     
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    @ChristineM is going to be madder than a wet hen now.
    Let's be nice to her til she calms down.
    (We don't want a hot heavy cream sauce thrown at us.)
     
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    Tell me about it. *grin*
     
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    Ahh. I only managed to catch the tail end of the reported deal on the news last night. All I heard was something about nuclear powers and defence treaties. So I initially assumed the powers that be were trying to avoid a Fallout/zombie apocalypse scenario
     
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    Isn't diesel fueled sub worse for Global climate change than nuclear ones?
    Don't tell me that France is acting in environmentally unfriendly ways.:eek:
     
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    Aukus: China denounces US-UK-Australia pact as irresponsible - BBC News



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  10. Stevicus

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    I wonder how they come up with these catchy acronyms.

    They could have reversed it: USUKA, which looks like "you sucka."
     
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    Great, a new phase in the military build up in the Pacific. Billions on new subs meanwhile

    "In 2016, 31% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians lived in households whose income was below the poverty line"

    Not to mention all of the other important issues facing the people in AU.

    Poverty in Australia - Wikipedia

    France will get over it and no one wants their nasty diesels anyway lol
     
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  12. Lyndon

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    It seems they have a 90 billion dollar contract with France, for which France has already invested much money into, why can't they get France to manufacture nuclear fueled submarines, they have their own nuclear powered ones.
     
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    Part of the deal is that the U.S. is sharing submarine technology with Australia so they'll be able to build their own nuclear powered submarines.
     
  14. Lyndon

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    Australia doesn't have the ability to make them otherwise they wouldn't have contracted with France
     
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    At least they aren't coal powered subs.
     
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    I suddenly want to give Biden a congrats for the first time!

    Maybe there is hope for him after all!
     
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    China is whining about this. Good.
     
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  18. Lyndon

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    And the prospects of a war with France are heating up!!
     
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    Nonsensical carping aside ( every defense related deal cannot have everyone involved, smaller groups work better anyways) this is basically another step in Bidens plan to shift from Middle East to the Indo-Pacific and counter the growing belligerence of China there. With oil be coming less relevant in the next 20 years, middle East will become economically and politically unimportant. So the plan is a good one.
     
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    Security is necessary for prosperity to happen. A country needs international clout through both economic and millitary alliances to get the best trade deals that help grow it's economic base.
    With China cracking down in domestic corporations and Chinese companies getting blacklisted internationally, it's a good time to attract businesses to other shores. Showing that your country is part of a stable political alliance helps in this.
     
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