1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Biden Administration Will Restart Remain In Mexico Policy

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by esmith, Oct 15, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    39,266
    Ratings:
    +16,965
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    That's an understatement.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2020
    Messages:
    4,309
    Ratings:
    +2,558
    So you're saying that it's funny because it's true.
     
  3. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2020
    Messages:
    4,309
    Ratings:
    +2,558
    Did you miss the OP, or did you deliberately refuse to read it?
     
  4. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2020
    Messages:
    4,309
    Ratings:
    +2,558
    Does that mean only 35% of Americans approve of Biden continueing Trump's immigration policy (as per your OP), or only 35% of Americans approve of Biden's failure to create a new one?
     
  5. esmith

    esmith Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    13,355
    Ratings:
    +2,028
    Religion:
    No name designated at this time.
    what ever fits you fancy
     
  6. Ponder This

    Ponder This Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,770
    Ratings:
    +517
    Are you claiming that the majority of illegal immigrants are not released into the the U.S.?
    The American Immigration Council is a Washington, D.C.-based 501 nonprofit organization and advocacy group. It advocates for immigrants to the United States and opposes US President Donald Trump's immigration policy.
    Perhaps reconsider your source of information.
    For example, in the recent Haitian illegal immigrant camp at Del Rio, Texas, more than 10,000 illegal immigrants were released into the U.S. A few hundred Haitians were deported.

    You Welcome? :)

    Okay, I think we agree? that the current situation which empowered criminal cartels is unacceptable.

    :confused: So... we agree that overwhelming the system with frivolous claims is bad?

    People are being exploited currently because the Cartels are empowered as the means of entry into the U.S. So basically almost every illegal immigrant is an example in the current situation.

    Good to know. And also the vast majority of those Haitians (that were not deported to Haiti) were released into the U.S.

    Oh? Hmm.

    What does this have to do with immigration, legal or illegal? Immigration doesn't stop refugees or terrors, does it? Such things persist and if anything are encouraged by the removal of dissidents.

    To encourage people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles is inhumane. Biden should be impeached.
    A wall is not the same thing as plugging your ears and turning your back. You may have noticed there are these criminal Cartels in Mexico. There has even been recent machine gun fire from within Mexico crossing the U.S. border. A wall is more a sign of vigilance than of neglect.

    Import people for the express purpose of exploitation? No thank you.

    I think you need to answer those questions, especially if you think that they make a significant point.

    Do you understand the purpose of a wall? A wall makes the job of surveilling or guarding a border orders of magnitude easier. It can transform an impossible task into a possible one. Did you know that locks on doors "don't work"? Any serious person can get past a locking mechanism on a door. Why do you think most illegal immigrants come through border crossing sites or into sea ports?

    :confused: Are you trying to argue that importing more exploitable people is going to stop the rich from exploiting them?

    What are you referring to?

    Is this about immigration?

    Is the U.S. more or less safe as a result of increased illegal immigration? Are Cartels more or less powerful as a result of increased illegal immigration?
    Has there been more or less abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, etc, as a result of increased illegal immigration?

    Perhaps we agree that illegal immigration is not justified.
    If you hold the view that illegal immigration is justified, then why is it justified?

    So far it seems as if, you are saying that illegal immigration is justified because:
    1. The majority are still denied entry (which is false). (the majority of illegal immigrants are released into the U.S.)
    2. People who are not in the U.S. are at the mercy of Criminal Cartels (and yet more people are at the mercy of criminal Cartels when there is increased illegal immigration).
    3. The asylum system is too slow (and yet it is made even slower when the number of illegal immigrants increases).
    4. Walls don't work...? (just an ill-informed opinion as to how walls work as far as I can tell)
    5. The U.S. is safer than Mexico (which is true). (but the U.S. is also less safe as a result of illegal immigration).
    6. Denying illegal immigrants is equivalent to forcing people to drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles while turning your back and plugging your ears. (when increased illegal immigration causes more of this).
    7. U.S. children don't work hard enough nor are they patriotic enough.
      But illegal immigrants can serve the U.S. better because they are more willing to be cheap disposable labor and fight wars for the U.S. (we'll just ignore the part about them being easily deported if they displease whoever happens to be in power - it's actually "patriotism")
    Did I miss anything?
     
  7. Daemon Sophic

    Daemon Sophic Avatar in flux

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2009
    Messages:
    4,790
    Ratings:
    +3,272
    A few things are clear, and we must agree on the reality….the facts…prior to proceeding….
    1. You are willfully distorting just about everything on this issue.
    2. You are wrong about the majority of attempted illegal immigrants being turned back by border patrol and the US government. I cited a source. You claimed it was wrong, yet countered with nothing, therefore your claim is appropriately ignored as false. Give a source, or admit that you were wrong.
    3. You must recognize that desperate people will do desperate things to get to where they believe there is freedom and safety. This will happen no matter what anyone does with the border (especially since most illegal immigrants are simply overstaying their visas, and have nothing to do with crossing walls, rivers, or deserts).
    4. Not that it matters, but I am against illegal immigration. But I recognize the complicated realities of it, or at least I try to.

    But I digress. Get some facts. Link your sources.
     
  8. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2020
    Messages:
    4,309
    Ratings:
    +2,558
    So you either don't know, or don't care what your own words mean.
     
  9. esmith

    esmith Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2010
    Messages:
    13,355
    Ratings:
    +2,028
    Religion:
    No name designated at this time.
    Whatever floats your boat
     
    • Creative Creative x 1
  10. Ponder This

    Ponder This Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,770
    Ratings:
    +517
    Mayorkas says as many as 12K out of 17K migrants have been released into US, and ‘it could be higher’
    This one example concerns the Del Rio, Texas border crossing incident as I said, but the policy is the same for all border crossings.

    It appears we agree. We are both against illegal immigration. I respect your opinion, because it does seem as if you are trying to understand "complicated realities".
     
Loading...