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Biden Administration Will Restart Remain In Mexico Policy

Daemon Sophic

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Biden asministration will restart President Trumps remain in Mexico policy in mid November.
That is when the issues raised by Mexico are addressed.
Biden administration plans to restart Trump's Remain in Mexico policy at border
Ah. I read the mislabeled article. It would be much more accurate to title it….
Conservative-Biased Supreme Court Forces US to continue with Trump’s callous and inhumane ‘Remain in Mexico’ Border Policy (as Biden administration Heroically Battles to end the terrible Trump program, and return the US to its Great Old Status as a Bastion of Human Rights)”

There. Fixed. You’re welcome! :)


Edit: Oh yeah. Thanks for the info!
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Ah. I read the mislabeled article. It would be much more accurate to title it….
Conservative-Biased Supreme Court Forces US to continue with Trump’s callous and inhumane ‘Remain in Mexico’ Border Policy (as Biden administration Heroically Battles to end the terrible Trump program, and return the US to its Great Old Status as a Bastion of Human Rights)”

There. Fixed. You’re welcome! :)


Edit: Oh yeah. Thanks for the info!
No, you only injected your opinion....tough titty
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Try reading your own article.
Not my opinion, it’s the point of the article.

BTW - your argumentative style is lacking. o_O

My point is that Biden got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
You do realize that only 35% of Americans approve of Biden’s handling of immigration.
What does that tell you?
 

Daemon Sophic

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It tells me we need a less biased conservative Supreme Court. We need a court more in line with the US Constitution, so that the Biden Administration and the US are not bound up by the petty and short-sighted judgements of the prior administration and the corruption in congress.

Keep in mind that that same percentage (35%) state that immigrants (legal and illegal) are an overall benefit to the US rather than a burden. The main reason the US public is upset about Biden’s handling of the border crisis is not that we are being flooded by more immigrants than ever before. They are upset because Biden cannot let them in faster, with a more efficient process. But it is the Trump Cluster-**** of a set of messed up immigration policies that is hobbling the US. :( And now the SCOTUS stands in the way of useful reform.

4 ways the Biden administration can improve the employment-based immigration system without Congress

Biden in a bind on border: 'The coalition that elected him will collapse'

Remember. It’s not what the Republicans want or think….it’s what is best for the US that is important, and what should drive policy. Usually (for the last 45 years) those two things have been in direct opposition to each other. :shrug:
 

Ponder This

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Keep in mind that that same percentage (35%) state that immigrants (legal and illegal) are an overall benefit to the US rather than a burden. The main reason the US public is upset about Biden’s handling of the border crisis is not that we are being flooded by more immigrants than ever before. They are upset because Biden cannot let them in faster, with a more efficient process.

It is interesting that anybody remains supportive of illegal immigration with the drawbacks becoming more and more apparent as time goes on.

What benefits do you think illegal unregulated immigration gives the U.S. that legal regulated immigration does not provide?

And why do you think those benefits justify the child abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, human trafficking, and organized criminal Cartels?
 

Daemon Sophic

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It is interesting that anybody remains supportive of illegal immigration with the drawbacks becoming more and more apparent as time goes on.

What benefits do you think illegal unregulated immigration gives the U.S. that legal regulated immigration does not provide?

And why do you think those benefits justify the child abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, human trafficking, and organized criminal Cartels?
It is a truism that absolutely nobody politically, whether they be Democrat or Republican, supports illegal immigrants coming into the United States. However if you really want to know who benefits and likes illegal immigrants coming into the United States, then you would be better off asking the owners of large farms throughout the country, as well as construction companies throughout the country who can utilize large numbers of untrained labor. Of course this would include those companies of our former POTUS.

What Donald Trump Knew About Undocumented Workers at His Signature Tower

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...439928-16a2-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

In their cases, it’s more a matter of what’s not to like? Cheap labor, who are easily intimidated, because when they cause you problems you fire them and have them deported. Transactions often are made in cash under the table with no taxes to deal with and no healthcare benefits. As an employer you can also completely ignore worker complaints about dangerous working conditions. Bonus! :D And if you’re caught? No problem! At least for the US business. Fire and deport, wait a week, then hire new desperate laborers. Yay!


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As for all of the crimes and criminal syndicates that arise among the desperate refugees scrambling to get into the relatively safer United States of America; running away from whatever atrocities they fled from…. That unfortunately comes down to a standard ‘supply and demand’ issue. :( People are desperate and will pay whatever cost it takes to get their children (and themselves) into what they perceive as a better life….and criminals will exploit that.
That is one of the reasons why we have always tried to bring them into our nation for the weeks or months it takes to review their cases. To protect them.
It is why the “Remain in Mexico” policy of the former and unworthy administration is so heinous. Because it keeps them clustered together and vulnerable in areas where the criminal syndicates operate freely, while the refugees are trying to protect their children.

Keep in mind that the majority of the people currently overflowing our borders are in fact refugees from many nations, rather than simple Mexican day-workers who want to get better employment along the southern border of the US than they can find in Mexico.
When refugees come they are brought in and their cases reviewed. Those (the majority) who are found not worthy are simply shipped back to their own countries. Such happened to the majority of Haitians (who made all of the press 2 months ago) fleeing the terrible conditions in their home country.

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But these questions you ask are too easy. If you wish to pander something, then ask….
- What can we do to cut down the number of refugees and the terrors that they run from?
- Do we, as a nation, give them succor, as they drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles to our border? Or build a wall then plug our ears and turn our backs on them?
- Can we make use of new (usually younger) people who will work amazingly hard, and who are (more than our children) willing to show patriotism and their dependability by doing lower-paying jobs and by joining our military to fight for the USA? o_O
 

Ponder This

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It is a truism that absolutely nobody politically, whether they be Democrat or Republican, supports illegal immigrants coming into the United States.

Obviously, Biden and his administration support illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. by their actions despite saying words to the contrary. Do you think otherwise?

it’s more a matter of what’s not to like? Cheap labor, who are easily intimidated, because when they cause you problems you fire them and have them deported. Transactions often are made in cash under the table with no taxes to deal with and no healthcare benefits. As an employer you can also completely ignore worker complaints about dangerous working conditions. Bonus! :D And if you’re caught? No problem! At least for the US business. Fire and deport, wait a week, then hire new desperate laborers. Yay!

Well said. Some people argue that illegal immigrants are better because they commit less crime and turn a blind eye to why that is.

As for all of the crimes and criminal syndicates that arise among the desperate refugees scrambling to get into the relatively safer United States of America; running away from whatever atrocities they fled from…. That unfortunately comes down to a standard ‘supply and demand’ issue. :( People are desperate and will pay whatever cost it takes to get their children (and themselves) into what they perceive as a better life….and criminals will exploit that.

:confused: Are you saying the criminal Cartels are justified (a kind of necessary evil)? Why are they necessary?

That is one of the reasons why we have always tried to bring them into our nation for the weeks or months it takes to review their cases. To protect them.
It is why the “Remain in Mexico” policy of the former and unworthy administration is so heinous. Because it keeps them clustered together and vulnerable in areas where the criminal syndicates operate freely, while the refugees are trying to protect their children.
It is why the “Remain in Mexico” policy of the former and unworthy administration is so heinous. Because it keeps them clustered together and vulnerable in areas where the criminal syndicates operate freely, while the refugees are trying to protect their children.

An interesting point of view, but legal exception already exists for people who would suffer unduly in Mexico. Moreover, bringing them into the U.S. has actually empowered the Cartels that exploit them - the opposite of the claimed benefit.

Keep in mind that the majority of the people currently overflowing our borders are in fact refugees from many nations, rather than simple Mexican day-workers who want to get better employment along the southern border of the US than they can find in Mexico.
When refugees come they are brought in and their cases reviewed. Those (the majority) who are found not worthy are simply shipped back to their own countries. Such happened to the majority of Haitians (who made all of the press 2 months ago) fleeing the terrible conditions in their home country.

Yes, the vast majority of asylum seekers do not have a valid asylum claim. Are you arguing that those rejected actually do have a valid asylum claim simply because they didn't migrate from Mexico? Are you aware that most Haitians weren't fleeing their homeland, but instead wanted to resettle from other countries besides Haiti that they had already migrated to and settled in? Are you also aware that Remain in Mexico would've allowed Haitians to have their cases reviewed without shipping them back to Haiti (the place that they were ostensibly fleeing from)? Why would Biden support shipping them back to Haiti, but not support having them stay in Mexico while their cases are reviewed?

But these questions you ask are too easy. If you wish to pander something, then ask….
- What can we do to cut down the number of refugees and the terrors that they run from?
- Do we, as a nation, give them succor, as they drag themselves and their children hundreds or even thousands of miles to our border? Or build a wall then plug our ears and turn our backs on them?
- Can we make use of new (usually younger) people who will work amazingly hard, and who are (more than our children) willing to show patriotism and their dependability by doing lower-paying jobs and by joining our military to fight for the USA?

Feel free to give answers to those questions.

You said that 35% of people are in favor immigration (legal or illegal), but then stated that no one politically supports illegal immigration.
Do you think that there is any case to be made in support of illegal immigration (other than what you've already put forth)?

If I understand correctly, the argument so far that illegal immigration is good is as follows:
  1. Illegal immigrants are exploitable as cheap labor that can be denied basic rights (a form of slavery).
  2. Some (?) illegal immigrants somehow have a legitimate asylum claim despite being rejected when their case is thoroughly reviewed by experts.
  3. Many of them are not from Mexico implies that many (?) of them aren't going to the U.S. for employment purposes (?) and are, instead, refugees with legitimate (?) asylum claims.
  4. Mexico is too dangerous a place for anyone to wait while an asylum claim is reviewed. Only the U.S. can be considered safe from criminal organizations.

But in the current situation of uncontrolled illegal immigration, the drawbacks of child abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, human trafficking, and empowered criminal organizations are... acceptable tradeoffs? So for example, it is okay for tens of thousands of U.S. citizens to die every year from fentanyl because many more thousands of exploitable cheap laborers will be imported.
 

Daemon Sophic

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Obviously, Biden and his administration support illegal immigrants coming into the U.S. by their actions despite saying words to the contrary. Do you think otherwise?



Well said. Some people argue that illegal immigrants are better because they commit less crime and turn a blind eye to why that is.



:confused: Are you saying the criminal Cartels are justified (a kind of necessary evil)? Why are they necessary?



An interesting point of view, but legal exception already exists for people who would suffer unduly in Mexico. Moreover, bringing them into the U.S. has actually empowered the Cartels that exploit them - the opposite of the claimed benefit.



Yes, the vast majority of asylum seekers do not have a valid asylum claim. Are you arguing that those rejected actually do have a valid asylum claim simply because they didn't migrate from Mexico? Are you aware that most Haitians weren't fleeing their homeland, but instead wanted to resettle from other countries besides Haiti that they had already migrated to and settled in? Are you also aware that Remain in Mexico would've allowed Haitians to have their cases reviewed without shipping them back to Haiti (the place that they were ostensibly fleeing from)? Why would Biden support shipping them back to Haiti, but not support having them stay in Mexico while their cases are reviewed?



Feel free to give answers to those questions.

You said that 35% of people are in favor immigration (legal or illegal), but then stated that no one politically supports illegal immigration.
Do you think that there is any case to be made in support of illegal immigration (other than what you've already put forth)?

If I understand correctly, the argument so far that illegal immigration is good is as follows:
  1. Illegal immigrants are exploitable as cheap labor that can be denied basic rights (a form of slavery).
  2. Some (?) illegal immigrants somehow have a legitimate asylum claim despite being rejected when their case is thoroughly reviewed by experts.
  3. Many of them are not from Mexico implies that many (?) of them aren't going to the U.S. for employment purposes (?) and are, instead, refugees with legitimate (?) asylum claims.
  4. Mexico is too dangerous a place for anyone to wait while an asylum claim is reviewed. Only the U.S. can be considered safe from criminal organizations.

But in the current situation of uncontrolled illegal immigration, the drawbacks of child abuse, sexual assault, murder, drugs, human trafficking, and empowered criminal organizations are... acceptable tradeoffs? So for example, it is okay for tens of thousands of U.S. citizens to die every year from fentanyl because many more thousands of exploitable cheap laborers will be imported.
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Uh….Woah?

OK. Let’s back it up here.
1. - The Biden admin, just like all US admins really do stop the majority from entering. Like science, it is true whether you believe it or not.
Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis

2. - Thanks. :)

3. - No. The criminal cartels are not justified in any way. Human. Exploitation. Is. Bad.
And they are in no way necessary.
Really? Wow! I was just pointing out that when you have a mass of unprotected, poor, starving people without rights or anyone to defend them, you invariably get scum like the cartels who will move in to prey upon the down-trodden. Immigrations of refugees happen. Exploitation of refugees happens. It does not make it “good”, or “acceptable”.

4a. - There are MANY more people seeking asylum than will ever be handled by the current lottery systems and ponderous, woefully slow legal channels can handle.
4b. - :confused: Whaaaat? How, exactly, does bringing people out of Mexico and into the US, allow the Mexican cartels to exploit these people more? Please give examples.

5. - Interesting.:cool: I had not known that aspect. However, it appears that the US is in fact working on getting the originally Haitian people back to where they had been recently, assuming that they had resident status in those other nations.
The Texas camp at the border is empty. What happens to Haitian migrants now?
Officials said the U.S. State Department is in talks with Brazil and Chile to allow some Haitians who previously resided there to return, but it's complicated because some of them no longer have legal status there.

The Mexico office of the U.N.'s International Organization for Migration released a statement late Friday saying it is looking for countries where some Haitians have residency or where their children have citizenship as an alternative to allowing them to be deported to Haiti.

"Should migrants be willing to return and should concerned states be in agreement, IOM is ready to offer its expertise through its Assisted Voluntary Return (AVR) Program to help these migrants return in a safe and informed manner," the statement said
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6. - No. Those questions are for you to answer.


7. - These things do not make illegal immigration “good”, as has been pointed out above. It happens, the only questions are what we do about it. Keeping in mind that walls don’t work. Most of the illegal immigrants in the US came through border crossing sites or into sea-ports. :shrug: Get used to reality.

A. The rich in our country do indeed exploit them. How shall we stop that?
B. While I never said that, I’m sure that there are many who would agree.
C. Yes. And in the next few decades, as global warming affects crops, diseases, and water supplies, these numbers will likely climb dramatically. What should we do then?
D. The US is clearly safer. :shrug: Clearly your statements about cartels, abuse, murders, etc…indicate that you agree; as would most sane people.


8. - Your final paragraph contains a train of thought that jumped several tracks while derailing; ending in a complete non-sequitur sentence. :eek::confused: Please rephrase.
 
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