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Biblical Contradictions

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Mister Emu, Sep 23, 2004.

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  1. Mister Emu

    Mister Emu Emu Extraordinaire
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    I know that some of you beleive there are contradictions in the Bible, I would like for you to post them here.
     
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    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    You asked for it! There were many more, but they probably all couldn't fit.
     
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    Is there enough storage space on this sites server?


    :)
     
  4. Mister Emu

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    I will respond to these in turn. If it takes me a bit to get to them all, please understand :)

    I'll start with the first paragraph.

    Gen 2 takes place on the sixth day.

    Incorrect, it specifically says all the plants and herbs were there. They just weren't grown yet.

    Gen 2:5

    I took care of the rest in a discussion with Linwood,

    Synopsis

    1) Man was created after the animals.
    2) The animals in the garden were more of already created animals
    3) No where in Gen 1 does it say they were created at the same time.

    If someone mis-interpretted the Bible it is not God's fault. Has anyone ever seen the edges of the universe?
     
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    Well I heard your reasoning but I don`t agree with it as it seems like Biblical gymnastics to me.
    I just dropped it because I figured it was yet another interpretation we couldn`t come to an agreement on so there was no sense in continuing.
     
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    Wrong, Judah could not drive them out. If God wanted him to win that battle, he would have.
     
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    I gave a perfectly viable interpretation, that is all that matters :p
     
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    19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

    -pah-
     
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    I have read it pah.

    Your interpretation is that the Lord stays with him, my view is that the Lord does not, because if God was with him then nothing could have stood in his way, not modern day tanks, much less chariots of iron.
     
  10. Feathers in Hair

    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    Something that I've always been curious about, what about the two conflicting creation stories?
     
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    I suppose you are reffering to genesis chapters 1 & 2?

    They do not conflict. Genesis chp. 2 is on the sixth day :)
     
  12. Pah

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    You have nothing to substantiate that view. He certainly could not stop two airplanes on 9/11 in this nation "under God". Did he leave then too? Jerry and Pat seemed to think so.


    Judges 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand:
    Judges 1:22 And the house of Joseph, they also went up against Bethel: and the LORD was with them.
    Exodus 33:2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
    Exodus 34:11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.

    It seems God was very active.

    -pah-
     
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    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    Thanks for answering! I'd have to check, but I don't think that's what I'm referring to. Let me do some research, and I'll update the question.
     
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    I was wrong, that was exactly what I was referring to! My apologies!

    What I meant by asking the question, is one reads Genesis 1.1 to 2.2, it conflicts more than slightly with Genesis 2:4 to 2:25. The former says that creation happened in seven days, whereas the latter infers it took only one. ("These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens..."). Genesis 1:20 also elaborates on how God had "the waters bring forth ...fowl". This is as opposed to in Genesis 2:19 in which God formed them "out of the ground".

    Also, what about Sophia, or Gods' aspect of Divine Female Wisdom?
     
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    NAB.

    As I have said before I believe that the majority of Gen. Chp. 2 is on the sixth day. It is my view that God brought forth more birds and animals from the ground.

    I have never heard of this, could you elaborate.
     
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    I get the impression that the early Christians took certain verses in Proverbs, namely (KJV) Proverbs 8:22-31, to imply that that God had created a female aspect whom he gave the attributes of Divine Wisdom.

    These passages were later attributed to Jesus, the opening verses of The Gospel According to John being an adaptation of this. So, instead of Sophia being the wisdom & voice of god, or Logos, the word, these qualites were given to Jesus, who never claimed these things for himself. (This is if one sees John 3:16-18 as obviously not having been spoken by him, unless he'd suddenly decided that speaking in the third person was in vogue.)

    I have no problem with the deification of Jesus, obviously. But I wonder why the early Christians decided that they needed to meld a wondeful female aspect of the Divine with him, when he seems incredible enough unto himself.
     
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    I also understand that in Genesis there is a mixing of male/female words but I can't for the life of me remember which one.

    -pah-
     
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    http://home.freeuk.net/jesusmyth/page9.htm

    "In addition to the genealogies, problems abound in the story of Jesus' birth. Luke 2:5 says that Joseph and Mary were only engaged as they travelled to Bethlehem, but Matt has Joseph being called her husband and Mary referred to as his wife, before the birth in 1:19 and 1:20. Moreover, the virgin birth of Jesus appears to be unknown in certain parts of Luke, e.g., both Joseph and Mary are referred to as Jesus' 'parents' in 2:27,41,43, and 'his father and his mother' in 2:33. In Luke 2:48 when Mary speaks to Jesus, she refers to Joseph as his 'father'. As so often occurred, when the text disagreed with later church teaching, Luke 2:43 has been amended by a copyist resulting in some MSS having not 'parents' but 'Joseph and his mother' when referring to Jesus.
    It should not pass unnoticed that one ancient MSS has in Matt 1:16 'Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph to whom was espoused Mary the virgin, begat Jesus, who is called the Christ', making Joseph the natural father of Jesus."

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    Good lord Gerani, did you have to make the page so big?

    Actually the greek word that KJV translates as husband can also be translated as a betrothed or future husband. Mat. 1:20 the word translated as wife can also be a betrothed woman or a woman of any age, whether virgin, married, or widowed.
     
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    God "doesn't leave" but humans do lose their faith.

    You're making the assumption that God wanted to stop the two airplanes. Perhaps there is a greater good here....one we have difficulty seeing because we're only human and can't see the big picture.
     
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