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Biblical Contradictions

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Vadergirl123, May 7, 2012.

  1. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Nope. If it hadn't happened yet, how would they know to write about it "prophetically?" Remember, these aren't factual accounts. They're stories.
     
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    I do indeed use some websites, and I don't see what's wrong with doing that. Especially since the sites give good biblical reasons for explaining why the contradictions aren't true. However I've tried to refute most of them myself.
     
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    No. 78 Was Jesus taken to Caiphas or Annas first? In Matt. 26:57 it reads that, "And they that laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiphas the high priest..." John 18:13 says, "And led him away to Annas first..." These verses don't contradict each other. Matt. doesn't claim that they took Jesus to Caiphas first(the person who compiled these contradictions choses to assume that) According to John he was taken to Annas first, and Caiphas later on.
     
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    No. 74 On what day did the temple burn? 2 Kings 25:8-9 says, "in the fifth month on the seventh day of the month...burnt the house of the Lord." Jeremiah 52:12-13 reads, "in the fifth month of the tenth day of the month burned the of the Lord." These verses don't necessarily contradict each other. The burning could've started on the seventh day and lasted until the tenth or possibly longer.
     
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    Yes they are.

    Because from their perspective they were fulfilled within that time frame.

    You're not listening: if you want to accept the destruction of the temple as a fulfillment after the fact, the fulfillment occurred 30 some years after the narrative ends.

    How would they have worked that into the story? "And oh, btw: 30 some years later Jesus' words concerning the temple were fulfilled. The End"?

    No, it wouldn't have. Again: the gospels deal exclusively with the life of Jesus and the events immediately following the crucifixion. Expecting a reference to something that happened 30+ years later to show up there makes no sense at all.

    You might as well say that the landing of the Mayflower at Plymouth should have been mentioned there.

    Regardless of when the gospels were written, they deal exclusively with the life/ministry of Jesus and the events immediately following the crucifixion. That determines the time frame, not the date of authorship. So yes, it would have been jumping ahead.

    Nope. It isn't even a weak indication.
     
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    No. 455 Where did the women watching the crucifixion stand? Matt, Mark, and Luke say that women stood afar off. John says that Jesus' mother, his mother's sister, Mary(the wife of Cleophas) and Mary Magdalene stood by the cross. These verses don't contradict. Some women stood afar off, but the ones specifically mentioned in John stood by the cross.(the writer of these "contradictions" chose to assume that when the other three pasages mention, "the women" that they refer to those mentioned in John as well, which is NOT the case.)
     
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    No. 4 Was Abiathar the father or son of Ahimelech? I Samuel 22:20 and 23:6 say that Abiathar is the son of Ahimelech. II Samuel 8:17 and I Chronicles 18:16 and 24:6 say Abiathar is the father of Ahimelech. There's no contradiction Ahimelech had a father named Abiathar AND a son with the same name.
     
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    No. 7 How long was the ark of the covenant at Abinadab's house? I Samuel 7:1-2 says that the, "the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time was long; for it was twenty years: and all the house of Israel lamented after the Lord." The "contradiction" is that this verse contradicts II Samuel 6:2-3, and Acts 13:21 because if Saul was king for forty years and he became king AFTER I Samuel 7:1-2 then the timing of twenty years is contradictory. However we have to determine what the twenty years refers to. The twenty years is the time from the ark being moved to Abinadab's house to Samuel convening the house of Israel. There's no contradiction. According to other biblical passages the ark stays at the house of Abinadab for another twenty years.

    How long was the ark at Abinadab's house?
     
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    No. 38 Did Asa remove the high places? II Chronicles says he took out the high places of Judah, and in II Chronicles 15:17 it says the high places of Israel weren't removed. I KIngs 15:14 talks about the high places of Israel as well. The high places of Judah were removed NOT the high places of Israel. There's no contradiction.
     
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    No. 36 what was in the ark of the covenant? I Kings 8:9 and II Chronicles 5:10 say there were only two tables, which Moses put in there. Hebrews 9:4 says that there were the tables of the covenant, a golden pot with manna, and Aaron's rod that budded. At one time the ark did have all the things mentioned in Hebrews, but when the ark was taken by Israel's enemies then they must've removed the golden pot and Aaron's rod. There's no contradiction.
     
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    No. 70 How many blind men were healed near Jericho? Matt 20:30 says, "And as they departed form Jericho...two blind men...cried out..." Mark 10:46 and Luke 18:35 say that "And they came to Jericho...blind bartimaeus...began to cry out."(mark) "As they were come nigh unto Jericho a certain blind man sat by the wayside begging." Jesus heals two men as he departs form Jericho(Matt) and he heals one(Bartimaeus) as he's nearing Jericho.(Luke and Mark) There's no contradiction.
     
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    No. 69 who makes people deaf and blind? Exodus and John say that God does. In Mark 9:17, 25 Jesus casts out a deaf and dumb spirit. These verses don't contradict. The spirit was only in the man by God's permission. If he wasn't, then Jesus wouldn't have had the authority to command the spirit to leave.
     
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    No.73 who buried Jesus? Matt, Mark, and Luke say Joseph of Armathea does. John says Jospeh and Nicodemus. There's no contradiction between these verse because Matt, Mark, and Luke don't say Jospeh was alone. Acts reads, " they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their leaders...they took him down from the tree and laid him in a sepulchre..." Jospeh was a council member(Mark 15:43,Luke 23:50) and Nicodemus was a pharisee and ruler of the Jews(John 3:1) There's no contradiction.

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    No. 59 How many believers were there at the time of his ascension? I Corinthians 15:6 says, "he was seen of above 500 brethren at once." before his ascended into heaven(Read the rest of I Corinthians 15). In acts it says that, "in those days Peter stood up in the midst of of the disciples...(the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty). This was after he ascended. I don't see how these verses contradict. Jesus was seen by 500 brethren before he went up to heaven and 120 disciples were with Peter to decide who would take Judas's place, after Jeus ascended.
     
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    No. 55 When did Saul become David's enemy? I Samuel 18:8-9 talks about how David returns from his slaughter of the Philistines, and people were saying, "Saul had killed his thousands but David his ten thousands." vs 9 says Saul eyed David from that day forward. I Samuel 18:27-29 talks about how Saul gives David his wife, and sees that the Lord is with him. Vs. 29 reads, "And Saul became David's enemy continually." In vs 9 Saul had started to "keep his eye on David." (he was wary of him), but he wasn't his enemy yet. It's not until vs 29 that Saul becomes "David's enemy continually" These verses don't contradict.
     
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    No. 57 Where did Mary and Joseph live before the birth of Jesus. In Luke 2:1-7 it says that they went, " up form Galilee out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem." This was BEFORE Jesus was born. Matt 2:1-2 talk about where they're living AFTER Jesus has been born, which is a house in Bethlehem. These verses don't contradict.
     
  17. BobbyisStrange

    BobbyisStrange The Adversary

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    I just jumped in this convo...Im not reading through 30+ pages of comments...I dont know if the OP covered this yet, but I’d be interested in hearing her rebuttal or counter claim.

    I just want to know when Jesus was really crucified.
    Was it the day after the Passover meal like it says in Mark or what it on the day prior to the Passover meal like it says in John…JESUS COULDN’T HAVE DIED BOTH DAYS!!!!
     
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    Obviously not. Does the appearance of contradiction cause you to believe none of it is true or simply that human eyewitness testimony can be flawed at times?
     
  19. BobbyisStrange

    BobbyisStrange The Adversary

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    First of all none of them were eyewitnesses, biblical scholars all agree on this. Mark the oldest Gospel was written at least 30 years AFTER the crucifiction and John the oldest anywhere from 90-110 years after, again, non were eyewitnesses. What it does tell me is that the bible is not the inspired/authoritative word of God.
     
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    Hahaha no problem it is alot to read.

    No. 215 What time of day was jesus crucified? John says about the sixth hour, and Mark says the third hour. Mark uses the Hebrew computation of time and John uses the Roman. There's no contradiction.
     
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