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Featured Bible shows Scripture is NOT the authority!

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Spiderman, Mar 9, 2022.

  1. Spiderman

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    I made this academy award winner material video. If you have no interest in it after watching the first three minutes, probably best not to watch the rest, but the stuff on the miracles linked to where the Virgin Mary appears, converted more people than all the Protestant father's combined, with one miracle from our Lady of Guadalupe alone ;) :


    The Bible declares the Bible is NOT the final authority.

    Jesus said "listen to the Church!".

    "All Scripture is inspired by God" is a quote about the Old Testament, because the New Testament did not exist at that time, and the Bible never says the Bible is the final authority on anything, and in fact declares it is not.

    People knew which books belonged in the Bible by accepting Church authority.

    Scripture states that most of what Jesus said and did wasn't even written down, or a "library couldn't contain all of it", Scripture says, but Protestants would agree that everything God speaks through the Prophets, is the word of God, including what never got written down!

    Keep in mind, I'm not bashing your beliefs that aren't judgemental, condemnation of others, and I respect any Religion that doesn't condemn others.

    The problem is, there are women in heaven, like the Virgin Mary, who worked miracles that I mention in the video, that converted more people than all the Protestant reformation Father's combined.

    Bible Christians keep presenting their false interpretation of Scripture to tell me I'm worshipping demons, practicing Spiritism, and full of Satanic abominations, because I believe women in heaven are my companions, who tell me to keep my mind and heart pure, virtuous, have high moral standards, and I do good deeds to make them happy.

    Bible Christians reject much of the Bible, are ironically Unbiblical, because the Bible doesn't say to use the Bible as an authority on anything, it wasn't the practice of early Christians, and yet Bible Christians keep calling me Satan worshipper, calling the Pope the Antichrist, calling the Catholic Church the whore of Babylon, the prostitute, and yet they get their Bible from the Catholic Church! It makes no sense.

    The Bible is a Catholic book! If you don't trust the Church, why do you trust the Bible? Does that sound about right @Dogknox20 ?
    Anything you care to add?

    I will respect any Bible Christian, and any Religion, until they start condemning or persecuting others.

    Because Bible Christians constantly spray paint "false idol" on Catholic statues, or spray paint that Catholics worship idols on sidewalks near the cathedral here, and Protestants at RF tell me I pray to demons if I pray a rosary, or ask a Saint to bless me, I make threads like these to defend what people love and cherish!

    In 4:15 of the YouTube roughly , I show the Saint Philomena chord I got from @JustGeorge with a sign from Philomena on my door step. :)

    Neither Philomena or the Durga image is Satanic! ;)
     
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  2. 2ndpillar

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    If the Pope is Christ on earth, and speaks for God, then his Ex cathedra pronouncement that Mary got whisked to heaven, would put her as the only woman in heaven. As the pope, as Pontifex Maximus, a positional heir of Peter and Caesar, is destined to "fall", "in that day" (Isaiah 22:25), "the day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), it is doubtful that the pope represents anyone but the "beast with two horns like a lamb", and that Mary resides anywhere but in her grave. She more likely than not represents the pagan queen of heaven, now worshipped in the form of Astarte/Easter, and has her own Roman church holiday, initiated at the time of the Council of Nicaea.
     
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    It's post like yours, (you believe the Pope will be the Antichrist, and the Church is whore of Babylon, prostitute), this, total bigotry, total condemnation, total judgement, total hatred, and persecution of other people's beliefs, that is the reason I keep telling people what is wrong with the Bible!

    I will prefer a virtuous, humble, devout, charitable, peaceful Hindu or Pagan, over hypocritical , judgemental, hateful , self-righteous Bible Christians any day.

    The Bible says many things that are hard to interpret, not literal, gross exaggerations, symbolism, and much of the Bible is not even meant to mean what it says.

    Jesus said "faith of a mustard seed moves mountains, and ask anything of the Father in his name, and it will be done." It doesn't even mean what it says, the Bible.

    Jesus left a Church to decide which books are in the Bible, to give a correct interpretation of the Bible, and Jesus said "listen to the Church. If they do not listen to the Church, let them be unto you as a Pagan or tax collector".

    The Church evolves and improves. The Bible remains stuck as outdated contradictions, poetry, symbolism, parables, exaggerations, illustrations, stuff that doesn't mean what it says, meaning lost in translation, culture, context , and time

    Jesus didn't leave us with a Bible. He left us with a Church!

    Jesus said, " unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you have no life in you. "

    At every last supper account, Jesus said, "this is my body, this is my blood".

    Do you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man?

    You don't follow the Bible anyways!
     
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    No, belief in the assumption does not mean Mary is the only person in heaven. Or the only female in heaven.

    Scripture speaks of the rich man burning in hades, interacting with Abraham, asking for water to be placed on his tongue. The poor man Lazarus was taken to Abraham's bosom. Abraham's bosom is not the only bosom in heaven. There's a lot nicer bosoms than that.

    Jesus was seen with Moses and Elijah on Mount Tabor during the transfiguration. The ghost of Samuel told Saul that he would join him shortly in the world of the dead. It all happened as Samuel prophesied with his ghost.

    Scripture says we are all one body in christ, all of us connected as branches to the true Vine that is christ. When a person who is a member of the body of Christ dies, they do not cease to be a member of the body of christ.

    Jesus said of a dead man, your brother lives, I'm the resurrection and the life, those who believe in me, even if they die, they live. The martyrs in the Book of Revelation who were slain for god, were calling for God's vengeance upon the earth, very alive in heaven

    Revelations chapter 12 speaks of a woman standing on the moon, clothed with the sun, on her head a crown of 12 stars, and all who obey the commandments of God , are children of this woman.

    The communion of saints , that the Catholic Church preaches , is more biblical, than those who rejected it.

    The Catholic church is the most biblical religion there is. Also, the Bible makes it very clear that the word of God is not limited to scripture, and not most of the things that Christ said were written down.

    The Bible says libraries would not contain all the things Christ said and did. Also, the Bible does not say that you're supposed to reject everything that's not found in scripture. Otherwise there would be no bible, cuz the Bible doesn't tell us which books belong in scripture.

    You accept the church authority, because you accept the correct New Testament canon, based on a decision the Catholic church made. So you already believe the church was guided by the Holy Spirit when they decided which Canon would be in your Bible, your new testament Canon.

    There were many writings about the life of christ, that the church didn't include in the bible. How do you know those are not inspired by god? How do you know those are not scripture?

    Everything God speaks through prophets is his word. The word of God is not limited to the bible. And God can change his mind over time. There's a scripture verse that says, " and God relented, God changed his mind, God repented of the evil he planned on doing to israel." Look it up Google it.

    The Bible is an ancient text, that doesn't even mean what it says in many places, is outdated, and should never be used to judge and condemn people, when it contradicts itself so many times.!
     
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    The Catholic Church added a lot of stuff that isn't biblical, and the Protestants took a lot of it back out.
    When the Catholic Church put the biblical Canon together they were the only church at that time, so claiming that the Bible comes from the Catholic church doesn't mean much. It's like saying it came from Christians who were alive then.
     
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    The Deuterocanonicals were part of the Greek Septuagint, part of the original Christian Bible, and Christians accepted them as Scripture for centuries.

    Protestants ripped them out without biblical or Holy-spirit inspired basis for doing so!
     
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    The Deuterocanonicals of Deutero John!
     
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    The story of the rich man, is a story taken out of the Talmud. A story to scare the children.

    I believe that the canon that is generally used, put together in 367 A.D. by Athanasius, is a combination of the message of the "enemy"/"devil", and the message of the "son of man", put together in the same field/book (Matthew 13). Athanasius was not holy, the Roman church is not holy, and the canon is not holy, but the combination did help preserve the Law and the prophets, including the message of Yeshua, in which the church nails to a cross. At the "end of the age", this all comes tumbling down, and the "tares"/lawless, will be gathered and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:39-42)

    Ecclesiastes 12:12 reports that "the writings of books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body". And that "the conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person" (Ecc 12:13). The 7th head of the beast of Revelation 17, Constantine per Daniel 7:25, endeavored to changed the law and the times, and now that people keep his new laws and times, apparently carry the mark of the beast, which per Revelation 14:10, they will have to drink from the cup of God's anger. As for what Yeshua considered Scripture which cannot be broke, he cited from them. (John 10:35). He did not site your NT.
     
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    Yeshua said he spoke in parables so that those without eyes to see or ears to hear, the wicked (Daniel 12:10), will not understand (Matthew 13:13). If you don't understand what Yeshua was saying, then Houston, we have a problem.
     
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    So who can be trusted for a correction interpretation of scripture?, because scripture clearly doesn't mean what it says, or I would receive The graces I pray for in Jesus name, because Jesus said that those who ask anything in his name, it will be done for them, ask and you shall receive.

    Jesus said you can get a mountain to move with faith of a mustard seed. Yet nobody has ever moved a mountain with prayer.

    Jesus said, " if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out". My eyes caused me to sin all the time, should I pluck them out?

    So, clearly the Bible doesn't mean what it says in many places. With a book that so often doesn't mean what it says, it clearly needs an official interpreter.

    Who is that person, or that institution, or that authority? Who can give me an authentic interpretation of scripture, you?
     
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    For all I know, you could be the one misinterpreting everything. Jesus said, "Upon this Rock I will build my church, and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."

    To me and the early christians, that meant that he was establishing an institution, with a hierarchy, a priesthood, bishops, a church, a visible authority, that the gates of hell would not prevail against.

    So, if Jesus was lying, and he didn't do what he said he was going to do, what else was he lying about? And I'm supposed to trust you?

    Jesus lost followers for the first time when he said, "unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you have no life in you". He let them go, he didn't call them back and explain to them that he meant differently. It was the first time he lost followers in his public ministry.

    At every last supper account he said, " this is my body, this is my blood." All of the early Christian churches believed that the bread and wine was transformed into the body and blood of Christ at the early Christian services.

    Do you consume the body and blood of christ, eat his flesh and drink his blood?

    Even Paul says that the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Christ, and eating or drinking of the flesh and blood of the son of man , is so dangerous if you do it unworthily, that people were getting sick or dying, for receiving the body and blood of Christ unworthily.

    If the bread and wine did not become the body and blood of christ, and were only symbolic, why would people be getting sick and dying because they received it unworthily? Do you receive the flesh, and drink the blood of the son of man?

    All of the early Christian churches agreed, that the Eucharist was the flesh and blood of christ. Protestants who reject this teaching, are being very unbiblical!
     
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    I suggest that you look up the "Commandments of God" in the OT and see what they are. The Roman church, established by Constantine, do not keep God's commandments, but the commandments of Constantine, per his decree of 321 A.D. in which Sunday, the day of his sun god, Sol Invictus, is to be kept as the day of rest. His Council also reassigned the timing of Passover and the feast of Unleavened bread, along with establishing 3 gods versus one God, which is anti 1st commandment. I don't know, it seems you are walking on thin ice.
     
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    The Old Testament says to kill people for working on Saturday. You don't follow that. Why the hypocrisy??

    Jesus brought a New Covenant and a Church! ;)
     
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    I don't know, if one does not have ears to hear, there might be a problem. The "mountain", the church of Babylon, in this case referred to as a millstone, in context is referring to Babylon, and it will be a strong angel, with strong faith, who will cast your "mountain" into the sea. (Revelation 18:21) If God does not listen to the prayers of the sinners, and if you are a sinner, how do you expect to get response to any prayer. Do you actually think a priest can forgive your sins, yet you still keep your doctor's appointment? I don't know, there seems to be a whiff of leaven in the air.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all.
    First, nonesense. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
    you said, "All Scripture is inspired by God" is a quote about the Old Testament, because the New Testament did not exist at that time, and the Bible never says the Bible is the final authority on anything, and in fact declares it is not." well lets see the OT and the NT key. scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." is not the same Holy Ghost in the OT the Same Holy Ghost in the NT?. 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." so, are not the the scriptures of God .... Spiritual?

    PICJAG, 101G.
     
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    Oh, God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners?? Scripture says everybody is a sinner. You are a sinner.

    I guess God doesn't listen to your prayers then??. Not to mention, I improved drastically after I started praying the Rosary, which is a Catholic prayer.

    I prayed to Jesus many times, and I remained a sociopath. I prayed the rosary, and I started doing deeds of charity, and becoming a very compassionate person, who overcame a drug addiction, and my mental health improved a lot as well, and I started staying out of jails for a very long time and improving dramatically. Praying to jesus, the father, and the holy spirit, and relying on the Bible alone, did not do that for me. Becoming a Catholic totally revolutionized my life, so that I started doing the works of Charity that Jesus commands us to do for salvation.

    Besides, I don't know of a church of babylon. Rome is not babylon. Also, Pagan Rome did persecute christianity, but Pagan Rome was nothing like Constantine's Roman Empire either.

    Constantine actually made Christianity legal, and protected christians, and ended a great persecution. Jesus Christ said, "I was hungry and you gave me to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me to drink, ....what you did for the least of my people you did for me, come inherit your eternal reward."

    The Catholic church has done more to feed the hungry, give to the needy, give shelter to the homeless, build schools and universities, build hospitals, care for the sick, and care for the poor, and educate the unlearned, more than any institution in the history of the world that has ever existed.

    Jesus Christ says that if you give to the hungry, you give to him, and you shall have your Eternal reward for it. I have fed many hungry people, and given away countless hundreds of dollars to needy people, so Jesus says that I will be rewarded for all eternity for that in Matthew 25, along with the countless hundreds of millions of Catholics who have done the same acts of charity! You aren't making any sense!
     
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    I agree Scripture is inspired by God, according to Scripture. But that doesn't mean everyone interprets them correctly. And nowhere does Scripture say that Scripture is the ultimate authority on anything.

    Jesus said "listen to the Church". He didn't even say to read the Bible.

    Jesus left the early Christians with a Church, not a Bible.
     
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    The 4th commandment reads: EXODUS 20:8 NKJ "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, (10) but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. Of course if you don't keep the commandments, you will not worship on God's mountain (Isaiah 56:6), and if not found on the Mountain of Zion, or in Jerusalem in the "day of the LORD", one will have little chance to "survive", and will die, be killed (Joel 2:31-32), during the "great earthquake" and "falling stars" of Revelation 16, Har-Magedon, the "day of the LORD". In Matthew 24, Yeshua noted your "church" fell away per Zechariah 13:7, starting with Peter (Mt 26:31). As for the "New covenant" with respect to Jeremiah 31:31, that was with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, to be commenced as spelled out in Ezekiel 36 & 37, with respect to a new heart and a new spirit, to be located in the land given to Jacob, under the leadership of King David, "forever". The "church", the Gentile "adulteress", bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver for "many days", is on borrowed time until Israel "returns" (Hosea 3). I think you placed your bet on the wrong horse. O yeah, the last two sentences of Matthew 28, were not in earliest copies of Matthew. Apparently edited in.
     
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    Repentance means to turn away from sinning. You might want to read 1 John 3:9. No one who is "born of God practices sin". On the other hand, "the one who practices sin is of the devil" (1 John 3:8).

    I think Yeshua said, "I was hungry and you gave me something to eat" (Mt 25:35). It didn't say anything about I was hungry and you gave the daughters of Babylon a donation. Maybe you gave a brother of Yeshua something to eat, maybe you didn't. Hard to say. Yeshua also said if you want to be perfect, sell all you have and give to the poor, but of course, to start with, you have to keep the Commandments, then "follow me", and you can start pursuing perfection.(Mt 16:23)
     
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    That is total hypocrisy. Jesus Christ brought a new covenant. It's total hypocrisy, because you're quoting the old testament, and you don't even keep the Old Testament rules.

    The Old Testament says to Stone adulterers. The Old Testament says to kill people for working on sabbath.

    Do you think people should be killed for working on saturday? If you don't think people should be killed for working on saturday, or stoned for adultery, then you don't believe in following the Old Testament now do you?

    So if you don't believe in following the old testament, why be hypocritical and tell me that I have to do what you're not doing?
     
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