Bible Passages About Fetus / Baby

[Colt]

Let this thread be a place to collect every passage
anyone can find that could shed light on whether or
not a fetus is the same as a baby.

Herod knew that a fetus is a human, maybe even king of the Jews! If people aren’t sure what a fetus is then why kill it? Maybe it becomes a tennis racquet?


The Escape to Egypt

13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

 

[Subduction Zone]

Herod knew that a fetus is a human, maybe even king of the Jews! If people aren’t sure what a fetus is then why kill it? Maybe it becomes a tennis racquet?


The Escape to Egypt

13 When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. “Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.”

No. That all occurred after the birth of Jesus. You did not follow the story.

 

[Colt]

No. That all occurred after the birth of Jesus. You did not follow the story.

At least now you know how to follow the story about Jesus when discussing Jesus. The point is that Herod wanted to kill the child that the Magi had come from far away to see. The Magi knew of Jesus before he was born.

Self-deluded abortion proponents want to pretend that a fetus isn't a child, isn't human so they don't have to face the fact that abortion is murdering a child. They often live with terrible regret until later in life when they eventually face the facts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

At least now you know how to follow the story about Jesus when discussing Jesus. The point is that Herod wanted to kill the child that the Magi had come from far away to see. The Magi knew of Jesus before he was born.

Self-deluded abortion proponents want to pretend that a fetus isn't a child, isn't human so they don't have to face the fact that abortion is murdering a child. They often live with terrible regret until later in life when they eventually face the facts.

Did he? The Wisemen may have started their journey but I don't see anything that supports your claim in that particular myth of the Bible. And knowing of Jesus before he was born hardly helps. How many people are giving birth to Jesus today? The extreme exception does not support you. General rules are what you need and the general rules show that the fetus was not considered a child.

 

[Colt]

Did he? The Wisemen may have started their journey but I don't see anything that supports your claim in that particular myth of the Bible. And knowing of Jesus before he was born hardly helps. How many people are giving birth to Jesus today? The extreme exception does not support you. General rules are what you need and the general rules show that the fetus was not considered a child.

If your mother killed you when you were a fetus would you be alive today?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If your mother killed you when you were a fetus would you be alive today?

That is a rather silly question. If your folks never met would you be here today?

The answer to both is the same and it is a trivial question. The answer is no.

 

[Colt]

That is a rather silly question. If your folks never met would you be here today?

The answer to both is the same and it is a trivial question. The answer is no.

What's silly is pretending that a fetus isn't a human life. Killing a human life that can't defend itself trivializes it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What's silly is pretending that a fetus isn't a human life. Killing a human life that can't defend itself trivializes it.

What is silly is playing wordgames to support an immoral limitation to what others can do. The science says that you are wrong and even the Bible seems to say that you are wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Questions.....
Assume that God created the soul before
the fetus was conceived....
- Does the fetus acquire its soul as a sperm,
an egg, or a united sperm & egg?
- Or does the fetus acquire this soul sometime
later?
- How does the Bible establish this?

 

[Kenny]

Let this thread be a place to collect every passage
anyone can find that could shed light on whether or
not a fetus is the same as a baby.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

 

[Kenny]

What is silly is playing wordgames to support an immoral limitation to what others can do. The science says that you are wrong and even the Bible seems to say that you are wrong.

Hmmm... no, that isn't what science has determined. That is what many subscribe to... yes.

 

[Kenny]

Actually, I need to revoke this one. I just remembered. In the story, God names Isaac before he was conceived. So it doesn't work. Sorry.

I think it does. We named our firstborn before he was conceived - our daughter was named while in the womb. But one didn't negate the other.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmmm... no, that isn't what science has determined. That is what many subscribe to... yes.

Actually it is. A fetuses brain activity is very limited before birth. The reason? It takes a lot of oxygen to support an active brain. A person needs to breathe on one's own to do that. That has been supported many times on this forum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

That only appears to say that she has been pregnant for six months.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think it does. We named our firstborn before he was conceived - our daughter was named while in the womb. But one didn't negate the other.

The point is that that is not evidence for either a soul or personhood.

 

[Polymath257]

What's silly is pretending that a fetus isn't a human life. Killing a human life that can't defend itself trivializes it.

Where in the Bible does killing a fetus amount to murder?

 

[dybmh]

I think it does. We named our firstborn before he was conceived - our daughter was named while in the womb. But one didn't negate the other.

The challenge is to equate a fetus to a baby in scripture. My argument fails because naming does not always involve the fetus. If a name can be given before there's a fetus, then naming is irrelevent.

Also, I'll note that the verse in Isaiah is not a good example. It doesn't actually say that God named Isaiah in the womb. The wording is "God recalled my name". So Isaiah, like Isaac, may have been named pre-fetus.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"So *before* someone was in the womb, he was known. In other words, he was known even before conception."

It takes about 6-12 days for a fertilized egg to travel to the uterus and attach to the uterus.
So maybe its saying he knew them once the egg was fertilized, before it reaches the uterus(womb).

No, it just means Jehovah/Yahweh (it's from Psalms) knew before all that began. It's part of that omniscience thing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What's silly is pretending that a fetus isn't a human life. Killing a human life that can't defend itself trivializes it.

And yet tearing the unborn from the womb was an order to the Hebrew army, with David being one of the sickest minds in the OT with "happy is he who dashes your little ones against the rocks."

 

[Kenny]

Actually it is. A fetuses brain activity is very limited before birth. The reason? It takes a lot of oxygen to support an active brain. A person needs to breathe on one's own to do that. That has been supported many times on this forum.

Source?

And you are simply stating biological needs and realities just as there is a reality that a person on a ventilator need a lot more oxygen too. But you haven't established, other than your personal viewpoint, that it isn't a child