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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by AT-AT, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Can you say that in plain english?
     
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    stvdv Well-Known Member

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    I said there is 1 difference ... I did not imply "only 1" ... just this 1 came to mind.

    Not exactly "timing" being the difference ... more like "before you die you experience plenty of the regular paychecks = lot's of `real` time experiences, whereas the Divine (final) paycheck you don't experience during your lifetime, except in the end (but then you can't share it on RF anymore, a few exceptions excluded maybe)
     
  3. The Reverend Bob

    The Reverend Bob Fart Machine and Beastmaster

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    Self critical? Do you think they examine their own beliefs and their motivations for holding those beliefs?
     
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    Only for @KenS: That is true ... Once Jesus appeared to me (and that was not a dream) ... So I totally agree that we do get factual experiences
    And that is easy to understand ... that I even call a science ... study hard physics and you become EinStein ... study hard Jesus and you become ....
    (So trying to disprove spirituality one will create a life without spiritual experiences ... no need to be a scientist to understand such logic IMHO)
    (Note: I don't say one is better than the other ... just that the Law of Action/Reaction works miracles if you are open to miracles)
    (Note: Of course the above is my personal opinion ... feel free to disagree ... I agree to disagree)
     
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    Not sure. It may take a few more proddings of my intuition to have enough to attempt a clear argument.
     
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    Actually, there is much truth in what you just said.
     
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  7. Audie

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    Tidy up the grammar and make clear who
    you are referring to with words like
    "author" and "his".

    lets try this
    "What audie said is correct, tho Dr K Wise would
    never agree"

    Is that it?
     
  8. AT-AT

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    I finally figured out what direction I should go, when I studied the revelations of the Baha'i faith
    Anyway, how I actually view this subject is complicated. On the other side, I view some really brilliant minds. Then they seem to believe certain things which lead to a lot of questions for me.... with less questioning than what I have. Much less. Yet I almost feel like with intelligence comes questioning everything. I cannot separate the two personally.
     
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    What is Bible fundamentalism?
     
  10. stvdv

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    Some brilliant humans made some wise remarks:
    At the trial, Socrates says, “The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.”
    Some say Einstein said “the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know”
    The really wise ones become more and more humble the more they learn
     
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    Christian Fundamentalism
     
  12. Windwalker

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    But that doesn't ring quite true. The reason why the Bible as mythology, or rather as metaphor, and that is what it really is, uses a language and a basic way of approaching life which is ingrained in us through culture. Both theists and atheists alike have been programmed though the Western Christian ethos. It defines our culture. Even atheists, are Christians in this sense of the word, regardless of what beliefs about God or church affiliations they have.

    If one is interested in the spiritual, beyond just the rational pursuits of science and technology, then its myths and symbols are already felt through culture. Speaking for myself, it's an easy language which is more accessible being raised in this culture, then say in the Middle East, or the East in general.

    But not taking it literally, is the only way that is possible for someone who is themselves operating solidly in the rational worldspace of Modernity, or beyond as the case may be. The rational mind can't hold these stories on the same level of verifiable facts. And those who try to make them that, are not doing so on any true modern rational basis.

    They are metaphors, symbols pointing to something beyond even themselves. The literalist on the other hand, mistakes the finger pointing to the moon, as the moon itself.
     
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    I searched google and I found this on wikipedia

    ''Fundamentalists are almost always described as having a literal interpretation of the Bible''

    Is it correct?
     
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    With an estimated IQ of 146, F. D, Roosevelt attended Harvard University and Columbia Law School before entering politics as a Democrat and winning election to the New York Senate in 1910.

    He believed that if whites had mixed blood children
    with Japanese or Chinese, the results, nine times out of
    ten would be some unfortunate, inferior child.
     
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  15. AT-AT

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    Yes. Though members have seemed to make the case that the key aspect of this definition is believing Bible inerrancy, rather than on Bible literalism.
     
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  16. Audie

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    We are all "spiritual" in our own ways.
    The ones who insert an imaginary "god" think
    they are better than those who do not.

    There is, btw, tremendous spiritual power in
    the pursuit of science.
     
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    :thumbsup:
     
  18. Audie

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    Which, btw, is actually personal inerrancy.

    They deny it, of course, as that is quite the thing
    to say of oneself.

    But it is so.
     
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    Road Warrior Seeking the middle path..

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    Yes. My experience is that they were usually teenage anarchist atheists rebelling against everything as some teenagers are wont to do.
     
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    Oh, the ones who grew up in a church,
    went teenage on us, and decided they
    are atheists.

    Later, when the regress to type, they will some
    of them be preachers who will make the most
    of their little pranks and indiscretions.

    "Yes, I, I who stand before you now (flapping a
    softcover bible) I know sin, the Devil's dark ways
    and the power of the LORD to redeem!!

    For Lo, I was the greatest of sinners, in the
    thrall of the Great Deceiver, yes, I was an
    atheist, a lover of sin and all that is vile!

    But in his infinite Mercy, the LORD reached
    down into the very pit of hell where I reveled
    in my lust, and I, disgusting creature that I
    was, filthy with every sin and vice, I took
    His hand, and he uplifted me!" (etc)
     
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