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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by AT-AT, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. AT-AT

    AT-AT Well-Known Member

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    Alright. So you think some Christian Fundamentalists are Critical Thinkers?
     
  2. Audie

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    Prease exprain what kinda fundy can hold
    views that allow for intellectual integrity.
     
  3. Audie

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    Why not? Among engineers, creationists are thick
    as hairs on a dog's back.

    The prob they have is with bible-stories. Then
    the wall goes up, sealing that off from thought.
     
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    Are you claiming that none are?

    I'm not a "Christian Fundamentalist.' Far from it. In fact, most "Christian fundamentalists' wouldn't even acknowledge that I'm a Christian, since I'm not A; trinitarian, B; Calvinist or C; whatever is next on their list of things one must be in order to be Christian. That list changes. I never know quite what someone is going to put on it.

    That aside, I HAVE met quite a few who ARE critical thinkers. It's just a matter of what they decide to think critically about. I have never met anybody who is a critical thinker about everything.
     
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    So, you are saying that "belief" in a paycheck is exactly the same but the difference is in timing.

    And yet in my belief, I do get factual experiences in smaller measures, in particular manifestations as I "believed". But, as you said, the actual "paycheck" or "no paycheck" will happen when I cease breathing on this earth.
     
  6. AT-AT

    AT-AT Well-Known Member

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    Define your definition of "Critical Thinker".
     
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    Actually, it is possible.

    As long as the topic isn't religion.

    Just as I can, with good reason, say that it is impossible to be a well informed and intellectually honest partisan, either Democrat or Republican. Not about politics.

    But pick some other topic?

    Sure.
     
  8. Road Warrior

    Road Warrior Seeking the middle path..

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    I think being a "creationist" and not taking Genesis literally are incompatible. A person who believes God created the Big Bang and gave the spark of life to creation isn't, IMO, the same as a person who believes God created the Universe in 7 days, Adam wholly formed and Eve from his rib. The latter would be a fundamentalist Christian not seeing the situation using critical thinking. The former would be someone who is using critical thinking but with a belief in the supernatural.
     
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    Which, of course, may be what they say about your thinking process. Isn't that a subjective position?
     
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    I do not see how any Fundamentalist, being rigid in their beliefs be they communists, political or religious fundamentalists, is using Critical Thinking.
     
  11. Audie

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    I potentially could accept that there is a "creator"
    but such has not been detected as yet.

    Belief that there is, is entirely a matter of faith.

    Critical thinking exists in a climate of doubt, not
    faith in a foregone conclusion that lacks all
    supporting evidence.

    Our "believer" may well, probably does use CTS
    in other realms of life, but has to wall "god" off
    from it.
     
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  12. Road Warrior

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the question. Thanks for admitting a person who is a creationist isn't using Critical Thinking.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    It's possible.
     
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    Agreed. In short, if it exists within the Universe, Critical Thinking can be applied. If external, then it's a matter of faith. The Fundie Christians who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old are not using Critical Thinking.
     
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    Alright. My challenge to you is to carefully study the definition of Critical Thinking, as I do the same.
     
  16. Audie

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    I guess that is in agreement with what I said
    about the impossibility of a fundy being
    intellectually honest re his beliefs.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    2 examples:

    1) Belief in an omniscient omnipotent diety combined with the concept of God-time creates the possibilty, arguably, for a fundamentalist understanding of the bible while at the same time does not negate intellectual integrity.

    2) an Atheist fundamentalist maintains their intellectual integrity.
     
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  18. Road Warrior

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    What do you mean by "intellectually honest"? That they are lying? Can a true believer be lying about their beliefs? Not just doubt, but actual lying. I know some Televangelists are obvious liars, but I know several people who strongly believe the Bible is the direct word of God. I doubt they are being intellectually dishonest.
     
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    I honestly feel this may be one of my best threads yet even if not everyone may agree. I feel happy, but also more than thank the involvement of this wonderful community.
     
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    1. I don't understand what God-time is.

    2. That doesn't matter. The definitions of Atheist fundamentalist and Christian Fundamentalist are not similar.
     
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