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Bible and LDS Scripture Prophecies

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by FFH, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. Watchmen

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    Blacks = can be president

    Women = can be president

    Mormons = canNOT be president

    Do you see how disgusting your views are, kefa? How biggotted and hateful? How they evidence an irrational fear resulting from Christian brainwashing? Do you see how you can only feel good if you tear someone else down? Is it a lack of faith? A subconscious fear that the foundation you stand on is as tenuous as silk on the wind?
     
  2. Father Heathen

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    Oh, brother. :rolleyes: You're all peas in a pod. Get over it.
     
  3. Halcyon

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    So glad I live in a secular nation right now.
     
  4. FFH

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    No, find a link and post it. I have church manuals, not institute manuals.

    It's all online now anyway, I wouldn't go out and purchase any more manuals, since they should all be available online, if it's puclished by the church.

    But anyway, no church manual would go out on a limb and try to do what I'm doing with this thread.

    I'm suggesting that many prophecies of Revelation, and in our own scripture, have already been fulfilled. No church or institute manual would go that out on a limb and say that much.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, a Christian is someone who believes that Jesus was anything more impressive than a prophet/human messiah. (Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet/human messiah, and certainly nobody thinks of them as Christian.)


    According to this view, Mormons are most certainly Christians. Anything else is just details.
     
  6. Watchmen

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    The institute manual is a church manual.

    Do you even know what institute is???
     
  7. FFH

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    Yes, of course, but it's not used in a church setting, but for college institute classes, I was talking about church manuals, not high school or college institute manuals.

    Are you talking about an LDS college institute class manual ??? I'm sure you are.

    Go ahead and post the link from the church's site of that manual, they should all be there. I think SoyLeche posted some links once, from his insitute class.

    I was in an LDS insitute fraternity at the University of Utah, and sat in on some classes, but never signed up for any formally, I was broke after paying tuition and couldn't afford any LDSSA classes, I later dropped out of the U and the LDSSA fraternity after about a year.

    I know you think I don't know LDS doctrines, but I do. I haven't seen you contribute anything yet to this thread yet.

    Care too ???
     
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  8. Mestemia

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    And some dare claim that Christianity is not divided....
     
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    What I've contributed is pointing out that you are wrong with your interpretation. Each horse/rider represents a separate dispensation, but everything you posted happened within one dispensation I believe.
     
  10. FFH

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    No, but I could get a copy, I was hoping to see a link online. I think Soyleche may know of a link.

    Institute Courses (U.S. and Canada)

    LDSSA course: New Testament (Acts to Revelation) A study of history and doctrinal teachings of the New Testament from Acts to Revelation.
     
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  11. FFH

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    I just have the standard church manual. I was thinking of using this because it's available online now. This is the manual I was talking about, not the institute manual.

    New Testament Student Manual

    Same one that's been used since 1979
     
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    You're thinking of a different part of Revelation.

    I'll post the scriptures to show how I came to this outline later. I have to leave for about a half hour, will be back later.

    I'll be able to give this more attention later tonight and tomorrow.
     
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    I can assure you I am a Christ centered Christian, at least I try to be, we all fall short though.
     
  14. Father Heathen

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    Pot. Kettle. Black.
     
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    what 'Word of God' have they rejected?all that i know use the same kjv of the bible that the baptists i know so adore.what in particular about morman belief would you consider 'evil'?how is a religion that worships the same God as all other christian groups and rejects satan with the same fervor as the other christian groups equatable with satanism?from my observations mormans believe about 90% of the same things baptist do,they just believe in a bunch of additional things which 'may or may not'be wrong but i know of none i would consider evil or satanic.have you got any examples?
     
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    He is proselytizing/trolling.I wouldn't expect any substantiated argument from him.
     
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    you seem to be 'bearing false witness against thy neighbor' in my opinion:):)
     
  18. FFH

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    Revelation 8


    8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

    First Angel ~ Climate Changes, WWI

    8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth; and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.


    Second Angel ~ Volcano Eruptions, WWII, Oil Spills

    8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea; and the third part of the sea became blood.

    [​IMG]


    8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

    Exxon Valdez oil spill


    Third Angel ~ Ukraine, Chornobyl Nuclear Disaster

    8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

    8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood; and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.


    [​IMG]

    Chornobyl Center

    Wormwood English to Ukranian Translation

    wormwood полин, чорнобиль; гіркота, прикрість
    [wormwood polyn, chornobyl'; hirkota, prykrist' ]

    Chornobyl ~ Wormwood

    It's spelled with an "o" not an "e" after the "h".

    Chornobyl (Ukraine) verses Chernobyl (Russia)


    Fourth Angel ~ Air Polution

    8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so that the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

    8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


    Revelation 9

    Fifth Angel ~ Gulf War

    9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth; and to the angel was given the key of the bottomless pit.

    9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reasons of the smoke of the pit.

    9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth; and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

    9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months; and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

    9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

    9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

    9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

    9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

    9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails; and their power was to hurt men five months.

    9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon (which interpreted means destroyer), but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (which also interpreted means destroyer).

    9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

    Saddam Hussein's mother named him Saddam or "destroyer"

    Oil Fires of the 1991 Gulf War
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    Sixth Angel ~ Iraq (Current) and Iran (Future) War

    9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

    9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the bottomless pit.

    9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

    9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand; and I saw the number of them.

    9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone; and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

    9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

    9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails; for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

    9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood; which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk;

    9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


    Seventh Angel ~ Christ Returns (Possibly the Morning of the First Resurrection, Saints "Caught Up" to Meet Christ in the Clouds)

    Revelation 10

    10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was at it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire;

    10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open; and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

    10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth; and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

    10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write; and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Those things are sealed up which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

    10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

    10:6 And sware by him that liveth forever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer;

    10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

    10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, God and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.

    10:9 And I Sent unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

    10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey; and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

    10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
     
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    Possibly the Afternoon of the First Resurrection (Second Rapture)

    Revelation 11

    11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod; and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    11:2 But the court which is without the temple, leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles; and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

    11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and a half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

    11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

    11:11 And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

    11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

    11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand; and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    11:14 The second woe is past; and behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdom of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever.

    11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshiped God,

    11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come:" because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

    11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament; and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings and an earthquake, and great hail.


    Afternoon of the First Resurrection (Second Rapture)

    Revelation 12

    12:1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

    12:2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

    12:3 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.

    12:4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.

    12:5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.

    12:6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael;

    12:7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ.

    12:8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth; and his angels were cast out with him.

    12:9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ;

    12:10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    12:11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.

    12:12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    12:13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child.

    12:14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    12:15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

    12:16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth.

    12:17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Revelation 13

    13:1 And I saw another sign, in the likeness of the kingdoms of the earth; a beast rise up out of the sea, and he stood upon the sand of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns; and upon his horns ten crowns; and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion; and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed; and all the world wondered after the beast.

    13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them; and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

    13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

    13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

    13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads;

    13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
     
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