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Best Short Arguments

Discussion in 'Non-Theistic/Non-Religious Beliefs DIR' started by Straw Dog, Oct 31, 2020.

  1. Straw Dog

    Straw Dog Well-Known Member

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    “Brevity is the soul of wit.“ -Shakespeare

    Today’s on-the-go atheist rarely has time for long form debates about the existence of gods. What are the best short arguments that cut to the chase?

    1. There’s no hard evidence for the existence of a god.
    2. If a god created the universe, then who or what created that god? If this god always existed, then why not just assume the same thing about existence?
    3. Science explains many things that we used to attribute to gods.
    4. The invisible and the non-existent are indistinguishable.
    5. There are thousands of gods that most people don’t believe in. Why should yours be any different?
     
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  2. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    Good points, all.
     
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  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    6. It takes a God to know a God.
     
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  4. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Windmills of your mind

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    Drop them all. Religious people believe in god by their "experiences." Their Experiences is how they know "and" define god not something imaginary that has no evidence. It's not a "being up in the sky" shaping the universe. I haven't heard of any believe think in those "contextual" terms like their counterparts. Science (psychology and neurology in this case) does attribute a lot to god (many people who believe in more than one god tend to have a different definition than abrahamics)'s existence. When taken as an experience that confirms outside confirmed biases (say the design of the universe=god a creator), then it's easier to see how science of the brain and mind connects with religious and spiritual beliefs.

    Since god is not spoken of as a ghost like Casper, what is the nature of the invisible are they speaking of when they argue against the existence of god (using that particular argument)?

    There are thousands of gods but they are so different from each other than putting them in the same category when they are not. Of course someone who believes god is a creator wouldn't believe he is also his creation. So, how can one say "if they believe in X when you believe in Y" is a contradiction in some religious people's terms.

    I'd say if one wants to disprove gods (more than one from all faiths), is to challenge their experiences. Since people don't like to be challenged by their experiences, it's more of a foregone conclusion. Cognitive dissonance is a pretty strong feeling and I don't feel it's worth it at all to convince people no god exist because they equate god to something you experience not an invisible person floating in the clouds.
     
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  5. Straw Dog

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    Fair assessment. I realize god beliefs are more experiential for people. In daily life, I’m not concerned with actively convincing others that they’re wrong. It’s more a list of short responses when others inquire about reasons for lack of belief. I suppose I could just say that it doesn’t represent my own experiences.
     
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  6. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    7. If God had any self-respect, what is He doing hanging around with humans? :oops:
     
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  7. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Windmills of your mind

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    If I wasn't on RF, none of these questions from an atheist view would have crossed my mine, actually. I didn't even "know" I was an atheist till I found out what some people meant by god here. But I don't relate to comparing it to aliens and unicorns though. Maybe it's because how religious talk about it as if it had a body and mind. That takes more introspection from the atheist who experiencing these views but can see the context (and address it from that context) in which the religious are saying beyond the language.
     
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  8. Augustus

    Augustus the Unreasonable

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    You mean like the Fonz was supposed to be really cool, but hung around in men's toilets with schoolboy nerds?
     
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  9. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Wasn't that fond of Happy Days - but would you (as divine creator) be proud of your creation (some are alright)? Can't even get all to worship one. :D
     
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