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Best and Worst Presidents?

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by c0da, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. c0da

    c0da Active Member

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    Who, in your opinion has been the best American President ever?

    Who has been the worst American President ever?

    Why?


    In my opinion, I would say the best is either Teddy, simply for being a hard man or FDR for helping get America out of the s*** in the 30s.

    The worst, I think would either be Jimmy Carter, for ballsing up military operations or Dubya for inflating the government and making a mess of Iraq, theres probably other things.

    Although I'm not American, so my opinion on this might not bear as much weight as somebody who has lived in the US.
     
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  2. CaptainXeroid

    CaptainXeroid Following Christ

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    Best - Abraham Lincoln When the Southern States seceded, many in the north would have been happy to wish them good riddance. Lincoln felt he had an obligation to uphold the Constitution by acting to restore the Union.

    Worst - Andrew Jackson He was the primary architect of the Trail of Tears, the removal of the American Natives by refusing to enforce a Supreme Court decision protecting Native rights as well as crafting the Indian Removal Act.

    There are plenty of (dis)honorable mentions, but I'll stick with these 2.
     
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  4. c0da

    c0da Active Member

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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    Good point, although, in the guy's defense, he didn't actually screw up in office, but then again, he didn't really have the time.
     
  5. Comet

    Comet Harvey Wallbanger

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    True, I guess I pick him for the best and worse then :)

    Best- William Henry Harrison because he didn't screw anything up badly

    Worst- William Henry Harrison because he didn't do anything in office

    :thud:
     
  6. c0da

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    Yeah, I think I'll change my choices now too! Harrison gets extra points too for being a hard man. He wasn't scared of a bit of wind and frost!
     
  7. standing_on_one_foot

    standing_on_one_foot Well-Known Member

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    Best? Probably Lincoln, although we've had several good ones. But I've been reading up on him lately, and the guy was pretty incredible. And he had a sense of humor. And he saved the Union and all that good stuff. And he really cared about the Constitution. And he was eloquent. I appreciate these things in a president.

    Worst? Hmm. We've had several bad ones, but I might have to go with Grant. He was pretty terrible at everything except being a general (and he made up for other deficiencies there). Poor guy. Completely gullible. He might not be the worst, though, he's just a bad president I happen to know a lot about. I'd have to look into things more before I could tell you the very worst with real certainty.
     
  8. Mathematician

    Mathematician Reason, and reason again

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    I've always been fond of Washington for actually making it known he wasn't king, and Jefferson shares(d) a lot of views with me. FDR comes in third.

    Worst? I would say Jackson.
     
  9. Lintu

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    I like the Roosevelts.

    Worst may be Jackson or Buchanan or A. Johnson.
     
  10. Smoke

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    It's not easy to admire any of them wholeheartedly.

    In terms of historical importance, Washington, Lincoln, and FD Roosevelt are in a league of their own, but the greatest in my book is probablyThomas Jefferson. I also think Chester Arthur is much underrated.

    Jimmy Carter has probably done more good than any of them, most of it, unfortunately, since he left office.

    There used to be some doubt about the worst, but Harding and Nixon were very strong contenders. The worst president by far, however, is without any doubt the pseudo-cowboy from Midland. None of the others even come close to him; compared to him, even Harding and Nixon seem noble and virtuous.
     
  11. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Worst: Dubya
    Johnson
    Jackson
    Nixon
    Cheney (he pulls the strings)

    Best: Ford
    Reagan
    FDR
    Washington
    Carter

    Who I would like to see in the next election?

    McCain
    Jeb (really)
     
  12. kai

    kai ragamuffin

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    well i am not american so bear with me
    JFK for his charisma
    Nixon for his dishonesty
     
  13. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    It was a toss up between JFK and Carter. But I figured that Carter best emulates JFK's "ask not" principle. :D
     
  14. CaptainXeroid

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    I have a question for Lintu and NetDoc. I'm curious why you guys mentioned Andrew Johnson as one of the worst. I'm not going to argue he was great or even mediocre:D, but Lincoln picked him as his running mate in an attempt to appeal to Southern voters and hold the Union together.

    After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson became President and had to deal with a hostile Congress. He was impeached for violating a law the Supreme Court eventually struck down as unconstitutional. Johnson was a Southerner from Tennessee, and the Northern conrolled Congress mainly disregarded him.

    I would put Johnson in the same category as William Henry Harrison...star-crossed and ineffective, not necessary the worst.

    As for George W. Bush, I think it's a bit early to fairly evaluate his Presidency in a historical context, but of course, the early returns are not looking very good.

    standing_on_one_foot - Grant..interresting choice for worst. He was certainly a reluctant candidate and turned out to be a gullible President. If he is guilty of two things above all others, it was not surrounding himself with honest people and exercising virtually no oversight. Not a subscriber to "The buck stops here."

    Carter would get my nomination for best ex-President for his humanitarian work.:)
     
  15. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Wrong Johnson for me. Try Lyndon. Think: Vietnam War.

    BTW, were both Johnsons VPs that ascended to the office??? How weird.
     
  16. Smoke

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    Paraphrasing, but Molly Ivins said something like, "Johnson would've been a great president if it hadn't been for Vietnam. I realize that's like saying it was a great century except for the Hundred Years' War." ;)
     
  17. c0da

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    Ha, good quote, but in all fairness to Johnson, if it wasn't for Nam, he would have had the money he needed to fund his 'great society' programmes which, if succesful, would have put him a bit higher up in most peoples views, I think.

    I reckon I'm going to change my worst president nomination from Carter to someone else, you guys have changed my mind! I'll have a rethink about my worst pres' nomination.
     
  18. CaptainXeroid

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    Thank you for the clarification. I didn't even think of LBJ.:eek: Kinda reminds me of the similarities between Lincoln and JFK.

    Good point.

    As for Carter, he was one of the most honest men to be President. After Watergate, I think any Democrat would have beaten Ford, and Carter was an 'outsider' to boot. He inherited a mess, and other than nuclear regulatory and peace talk matters, he didn't do much right as President. He was one of the most honest and well intentioned Presidents in our history.
     
  19. standing_on_one_foot

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    Right. That's the reasons I put his name up. He wasn't a bad man or a dishonest one, but he really was terrible at leading the country. There are presidents who've been worse people or done more harm, I suppose, but I just find Grant such an interesting failure.
     
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  20. c0da

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    I've decided to change my 'worst' nomination from Carter to Taft, just for that moustache!
     
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