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Berni Sanders?

Yerda

Veteran Member
What choice do you have? It's Bernie Sanders or the sharks on both sides by the looks of things.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Bernie wants taxpayer funding for all of everybody's medical bills, which would cost an estimated $32 trillion dollars over the time span of just one decade. This amount of spending would require federal taxes to be doubled or otherwise bankrupt this nation. Of course, nobody in his/her right mind would ever want anything like this to happen.
 
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Yerda

Veteran Member
Bernie wants taxpayer funding for all of everybody's medical bills, which would cost an estimated $32 trillion dollars over the time span of just one decade. This amount of spending would require federal taxes to be doubled or otherwise bankrupt this nation. Of course, nobody in his/her right mind would ever want anything like this to happen.
Did you perhaps happen to miss the fact that this would cost less than continuing as is?
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Bernie wants taxpayer funding for all of everybody's medical bills, which would cost an estimated $32 trillion dollars over the time span of just one decade. This amount of spending would require federal taxes to be doubled or otherwise bankrupt this nation. Of course, nobody in his/her right mind would ever want anything like this to happen.
Since when has reality have to do with anything in regards to politics?!!!!! Why the fiscally conservative party in power managed to have a one time give away $1.5 trillion in taxes and run up the largest monthly debt in history just this last month! And so bernie whats to be crazy with money like suddenly people actually care? I dont see it anywhere at all unless its going into their pocket then they care.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Did you perhaps happen to miss the fact that this would cost less than continuing as is?

If the government were to pay all of everybody's medical bills, this will prompt people going to the doctors when they have very minor ailments that'd heal without medical intervention. Also, without insured cost sharing, screenings or tests will be ordered by health care providers just to bilk the taxpayers. Furthermore, there would be a shortage of health care providers to meet the excessive demands of Bernie's Medicare for All. Now that you are aware of how Bernie's Medicare for All won't end up saving costs, and now that you are aware of the health care provider shortages Bernie's Medicare for All would cause, we have good reason to oppose that radical socialist Bernie Sanders for President.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I love his platforms and if he did run, I would have no problem voting for him. But I am uncertain of his durability.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
If the government were to pay all of everybody's medical bills, this will prompt people going to the doctors when they have very minor ailments that'd heal without medical intervention. Also, without insured cost sharing, screenings or tests will be ordered by health care providers just to bilk the taxpayers. Furthermore, there would be a shortage of health care providers to meet the excessive demands of Bernie's Medicare for All. Now that you are aware of how Bernie's Medicare for All won't end up saving costs, and now that you are aware of the health care provider shortages Bernie's Medicare for All would cause, we have good reason to oppose that radical socialist Bernie Sanders for President.
So, the independent expert analysis is wrong? That's interesting, tell me more.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Since when has reality have to do with anything in regards to politics?!!!!! Why the fiscally conservative party in power managed to have a one time give away $1.5 trillion in taxes and run up the largest monthly debt in history just this last month! And so bernie whats to be crazy with money like suddenly people actually care? I dont see it anywhere at all unless its going into their pocket then they care.

American corporate tax rates were way higher than elsewhere. Lower corporate tax rates were needed to bring jobs and investment capital back to our nation. The Republicans proposed a budget blue print that would have balanced the budget within 10 years. FY 2018 Budget - House Budget Committee Unfortunately, this plan could not pass without Democratic support in the Senate where Republicans don't have the 60 vote majority needed to get this fiscally responsible plan approved through Congress.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
So, the independent expert analysis is wrong? That's interesting, tell me more.

Could you please cite the independent expert analysis that shows Bernie's Medicare for All would be less costly than even just simply following the status quo of private health insurance, out of pocket patient paid health care, medicare, or medicaid?

Actually, “Medicare for All” would increase administrative costs by at least $12.5 billion per year.

Medicare-For-All Would Increase, Not Save, Administrative Costs
 
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Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
When did Bernie become a communist? I thought he was a Democratic Socialist.

Well then, maybe Bernie's too old to realize European style socialism isn't working out as well as the less socialist and more heavily American capitalist economy ...:D
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Could you please cite the independent expert analysis that shows Bernie's Medicare for All would be less costly than even just simply following the status quo of private health insurance, out of pocket patient paid health care, medicare, or medicaid?

Actually, “Medicare for All” would increase administrative costs by at least $12.5 billion per year.

Medicare-For-All Would Increase, Not Save, Administrative Costs
Here: PERI - Economic Analysis of Medicare for All
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
While I really have liked Bernie’s very reasonable ideas, he was too old 2 years ago, and he’s not getting younger. Perhaps a nice cabinet position?
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
This economic analysis fails to consider the cost of health care provider shortages and those medical service providers who'd bilk the system when there is no insured cost sharing deterrent against insurance fraud.
Perhaps you can write a response for the consideration of the authors. The contact details are at the bottom of the page. Good luck.
 
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