Berlin demonstration and Corona

[stvdv]

You may find this helpful/useful:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf​

Thank you, you thought well. Indeed helpful/useful. I did not know they did it this way. Makes sense that they have a certain script to follow.

 

[stvdv]

A big problem with China is that the government there does not care a crickets fart about truth.

Trump could have been Chinese in a previous incarnation (remembering all the untruth I heard him speak)

It cares about image above all else.

That is very true. They are dangerous, and will never forget if you hurt their feelings, and one day they will get back at you.
When USA kicked out China, that was my first thought "be careful, don't hurt China's feelings", soon after Corona came.
But not just Corona, also the unwillingness to cooperate, and not allowing others to investigate. They hurt China's feelings.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Berlin demonstration and Corona

Below is my personal opinion. I can be wrong of course (I hope not), but this time I will know very soon.
(Some might see this as conspiracy. I would have placed it in "Conspiracy sub forum" if there was one)

I still have trust issues, when it comes to news about Corona virus. What to do? That is me. I don't easily believe blind, esp. Governments and news these days
In a way I was glad to read about 1 million people demonstrating in Berlin keeping a distance of 1 to 10 cm approximately; I like to have proof
Within a few weeks I expect 20-100 thousand new corona cases in Germany, if covid-19 thread is as bad as they make us believe

My guess: The Government will try to control what newspapers say and what tv will tell about Berlin the next few weeks

The organisers claim there were ca. 800 thousand till 1.3 million people demonstrating
The government claims there were ca. 17 thousand till 20 thousand people demonstrating

My first though (seeing the pictures of the huge crowd) was, the Government lies again.

This time it is quite easy to prove the Government lied, when I see the pictures in the spoiler. And the article claims the same

Spoiler: Note on 'Real numbers in Berlin'.

Some say 800.000, others say 1.3 million and again government says 20.000. I have been in crowds of 500 thousand to 1 million when in India, seeing these pictures can never be 20.000, this is much, much more. In short: the government claims one more lie. Why, I wonder? I think I understand; they rather downsize the number, otherwise they can never explain, why there are not 100.000 new corona cases in the next few weeks. But time will tell, this time very soon. I guess Government will have a hard time, to suppress and take out lots of YouTubes the coming time, who tell the truth.

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Massa demonstratie in Berlijn ondanks medialeugens - De Lange Mars plus
Google english translate version of the above link
Polizei löst Kundgebung gegen Corona-Maßnahmen in Berlin auf

That said:
As long as it is not proven that Corona is fake news, it's best to stick to distancing I think.
I always wash my hands before & after shopping. Not out of fear, but to set a good example

I do get the feeling that this Corona virus has been used to enforce new laws quickly by Governments

I am curious what others think about Corona, Berlin, news on in, fake news on it, Governments etc.

Berlin demonstration
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I tend to think there are people out there taking advantage of the pandemic in order to jockey in more strigent control and power.

We seen it happen already with the endless war on drugs and terror by using fear in the same manner.

The Rico laws and Patriot act makes good examples i think.

Now people are talking about the "new normal".

I'm very curious as to what that exactly means.

 

[ChristineM]

A big problem with China is that the government there does not care a crickets fart about truth.
It cares about image above all else.

The Chinese governments bull does not prevent people dying, if image is there thing then you can say the number of deaths is under reported.

 

[stvdv]

Now people are talking about the "new normal".

I'm very curious as to what that exactly means.

Same here in Holland, they also talk about the "new normal"

Keeping 1.5 meter is the perfect way to control humans, terrorism and demonstrations

There is only 1 positive I see here; less criminal activity (accept the mafia of course)

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think we need to put everything we have in to getting accurate, reliable data. All of our decisions depend on it.

There is. Its metrics data that puts the picture in real time.

 

[ChristineM]

So, then the only honest solution is to say "It's not due to Corona". They could say "It's due to Corona+HeartAttack"

Heart attack aggrivated by cv19, without cv19 they may or may not have died

So, then the only honest solution is to say "It's not due to Corona". They could say "It's due to Corona+Aids"
Because if the person had not Aids then his immune system would be better and Corona might not have killed him

No. If they did not have cv19 they would have lived, they died because of cv19

 

[ChristineM]

You need not tell me, tell our Prime Minister. Even a tiny common sense (1%) is enough to know this to be a fact. No proof needed even.


China is known for population control. 1.3 billion is a lot. IF a few million die, I don't see the rich ones in charge shed a tear. They maybe even rejoice
(I remember hearing about the millions of Muslims they send to camps; just because they are Muslim)

Tell your PM

Cv19 does not just select the poor. To imply it does shows a lack of understanding

 

[stvdv]

No. If they did not have cv19 they would have lived, they died because of cv19

No, if they did not have had Aids they would have lived, so they died because of Aids

Or put it this way

Someone has corona and does not die
Then he gets Aids and dies
So, according to your logic
Aids killed him

 

[stvdv]

Tell your PM

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Cv19 does not just select the poor. To imply it does shows a lack of understanding

I sent already 2 mails to Geert wilders, but they didn't listen to me. He even made the mistake I warned him for

But I think they have a hidden agenda. Because a baby can understand that masks protects

Those people are educated. This is proof that they have a hidden agenda

 

[ChristineM]

No, if they did not have had Aids they would have lived, so they died because of Aids

Or put it this way

Someone has corona and does not die
Then he gets Aids and dies
So, according to your logic
Aids killed him

Not necessarily, cv19 can kill without underlying cause

As i have now stated twice, medication will allow an aids sufferer to live a reasonably normal life. Aids is not the killer disease it used to be.

 

[stvdv]

Not necessarily, cv19 can kill without underlying cause

Why then do not all die of Corona. Even a very minor percentage dies of Corona. Which proves to me that it has to do with underlying cause.

 

[stvdv]

As i have now stated twice, medication will allow an aids sufferer to live a reasonably normal life. Aids is not the killer disease it used to be.

Aha, I did not know. So they have a pill against Aids. But Aids means low immune system, and that will be a cause to die from Corona

 

[ChristineM]

Why then do not all die of Corona. Even a very minor percentage dies of Corona. Which proves to me that it has to do with underlying cause.

There are factors like age, obesity, immune system strength, and i read yesterday about differences in how the immune system works

 

[ChristineM]

Aha, I did not know. So they have a pill against Aids. But Aids means low immune system, and that will be a cause to die from Corona

You said it

 

[stvdv]

Aha, I did not know. So they have a pill against Aids. But Aids means low immune system, and that will be a cause to die from Corona

You said it

 

[Wandering Monk]

There seems to be the notion that death certificates only list one cause of death. This is not true. Death certificates typically have at least two categories for cause of death: one is the immediate cause of death, the other is the underlying cause.

A person whose immune system is compromised by AIDS for instance and who contracts Covid 19 and subsequently dies would have Covid listed as immediate cause and AIDS as the underlying cause.

This misunderstanding is often the basis for denial of deaths by Covid.

 

[stvdv]

Edit: Main point in this OP:
"Why did German government lie about the numbers of protesters"?
(Lying about such a thing is idiotic, as the lie is too obvious, all can easily see this)

No one addressed this point I think. I wonder why. Are all too gullible, and trust German government blindly
Reminds me of Hitler. People trusted him also too much. Has been proven a catastrophic mistake

As explained in the OP, such a lie opens up a lot of questions.

 

[Heyo]

No one addressed this point I think. I wonder why. Are all too gullible, and trust German government blindly
Reminds me of Hitler. People trusted him also too much. Has been proven a catastrophic mistake

As explained in the OP, such a lie opens up a lot of questions.

We know that in cases of demonstrations the police usually estimates below the actual number while the organizers inflate the numbers.
But in Berlin the organizers went far out of any reasonable number. So it was obvious they didn't have an optimistic estimation. They simply lied.
While it isn't easy for most people to estimate big numbers, most have at least some experience for the scale. A football stadium sits about 50,000 people. Looking at the areal photos everyone can see that that aren't 16 stadiums worth of people.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Maybe.
Unless it's true that Germans belong to the Aryan race, some claim(ed). Maybe even have a superior immunesystem. We might have proof soon

Two things we can be sure of that it's not true.