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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Estro Felino, Aug 12, 2022.

  1. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    But I have never heard any Pope saying clearly "there are neither Rosicrucians nor Freemasons within the Vatican".
    Which would reassure me, if he did.
    But he will not, because he does know there are.
     
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    Can you give me a source that is not anti- post Vatican II church?
     
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    In English? I guess I cannot.
    I do know several Italian priests who are staunchly faithful to Vatican II and yet have evidence there is esoteric, Freemasonic and probably occultist stuff within the Vatican walls.
    I had already told you about Father Gabriele Amorth who has said this countless times and nobody can deny he has never countered Vatican II.
    If you are interested, I can post some subtitled video. But I am 100% sure that I can find something in English too.
     
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    This deeper and wider crisis, Viganò believes, involves, theologically, an illegitimate rejection (that is, not a legitimate development) of traditional Catholic doctrine. The aim: to construct a more modern ‘new church,’ marked by a faith and practice in many areas of Catholic moral and sacramental life different from the Church of the past.
    More Bombshells from Viganò: Masonic Infiltration, Vatican II, and the Jesuits - Catholic Family News

    My point all along is to be aware of where your info is from. It takes some discerning.

    Here again;
    The Instruction called for the dissemination of liberal ideas and axioms throughout society and within the institutions of the Catholic Church so that laity, seminarians, clerics and prelates would, over the years, gradually be imbued with progressive principles.”[1]
     
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  5. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I perfectly know Monsignor Vigano's stance.
    But I would like to know your stance.
    You have never told me what you think of Freemasons.
    How would your faith react, if you found out (beyond any doubt) that the Vatican is a Freemasonic lair.
     
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    Freemasonry is an entirely different religion and as such are falsely accused of infiltrating the Council.
    As were Protestants. Following the Council came the accusation they took part in the Council. They were invited guests and took no part as participants.

    Or do you? If you do, then you must agree that his stance begins with his negativity towards Vatican II.

    Archbishop Vigano’s challenge on Vatican II | Catholic Culture

    Library : Interview with Phil Lawler | Catholic Culture

    Again, one must pay close attention to the source, it always comes down to the non- acceptance of the authority of the 2nd Vatican Council.

    More Bombshells from Viganò: Masonic Infiltration, Vatican II, and the Jesuits - Catholic Family News
     
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    Are you saying that Freemasons were invited as guests within the Vatican walls?
    This is extremely grave, this is extremely profane.
    Do you have a link?
     
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    Estro Felino I think you have fallen for "Anti-Catholic" preaching!
     
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    Absolutely not. I defend Catholics all over the world. I am just worried about the Vatican being hostage to Freemasons.
     
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    No. That Protestants were invited guests, as they are Christians, and this was an ecumenical council.
    They were invited as observers only, no participation. Are you assuming that all Protestants are Freemasons?
     
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    JPII was far more conservative than JP1.
     
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    Ah yes, the Vatican exorcist who thought yoga and Harry Potter are satanic. Great source.
     
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    Of course not.
    I thought you meant the lodges.
     
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    Estro Felino it is not going to happen! The Holy Catholic Church is the body of God! Throughout the centuries the Church has been attacked; all attacks fail.. The Church is built on ROCK not on sand!
    God is not a fool!

    Matthew 7:26
    But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
     
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  16. Estro Felino

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    Of course, the Church is eternal. Those who serve her will be judged by God in the afterlife.
    So I think that all these Cardinals who are rumored to be Masons...will be judged too.
     
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    One thing about rumors, they are not proven thus they are rumors!
    Cardinals are not stupid they know the evil of the Free Mason... FACT: All good Protestants love anything that slings mud at the Catholic Church!

    Think: If the Catholic Church is TRULY the body of Jesus then there is NO NEED for their many thousands of Protesting Churches!
    Estro Felino The ONLY reason they (Protestant churches) exist is they have convinced their followers; Jesus failed to build on ROCK but on sand, they the "Man in Protest" then MUST Come to the rescue of God and "Re-Form" (Form anew) the body of Jesus, a body that Jesus could not hold on to! AS IF....

    Estro Felino
    as if Satan had somehow overpowered Jesus and Satan TOOK Jesus' holy body from Jesus!???

    The Free Mason in a 50 steps program are on a quest to become self made gods! They are Protestants in league with the Anti-Christ doing the work of the Anti-Christ!
     
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    I want the Pope to say "there are no lodges within the Vatican walls" and I will feel reassured.
    He never will.
     
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    Estro Felino I hope all is well....

    And..... Reassurance will change what?! Will you reject the Body of Christ until you are Reassured?! You CAN be reassured about this: The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established 2000 years ago will not fail! Jesus did not build on sand; he is not a fool!
    Matthew 7:26
    But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

    Jesus built on Rock his building will always stand!
     
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    Why even wear a Crucifix when:
    1. Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah did not die on the Cross
    2. the earlier " Christians" used fish as a symbol of their Religion, please?
    Right?

    Regards
     
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