Believing Vs Knowing

[PureX]

.At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

At the point where we've lost sight of the difference.

 

[Augustus]

There have been accidental discoveries, but most knowledge is acquired through the scientific method. ...

I know that this is incorrect

 

[Polymath257]

We can try to show what we know but that does not mean that others will see what we see. Others cannot know what we know unless they see what we see.

Which means it is opinion and not knowledge.

 

[bobhikes]

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At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

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I would say we will know when we can verify through a non-human standard. As long as we can only base knowledge on human observations alone we can never truly know.

 

[LuisDantas]

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At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

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When the matter at hand is deeply personal in nature. Motivation might well qualify.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

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At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

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I know many things. From that set, I can objectively support and demonstrate only a small portion of it.

I know Who is on first.

 

[Skwim]

It starts from knowing and ends at believing, not the vice versa. That is the true belief.

Hmmm. That sounds a bit backwards to me.

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[Skwim]

I would say we will know when we can verify through a non-human standard. As long as we can only base knowledge on human observations alone we can never truly know.

How about simple incidents. If I observed one car hit another, why couldn't it be the case that I know one car hit another?

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[syo]

At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

What is believing? What is knowing? These two are changeable.

 

[Skwim]

What is believing? What is knowing? These two are changeable.

But certainly not interchangeable, or do you think they're synonyms?

As for what they are, I almost asked for definitions in the OP, but decided against it for fear of taking the thread off track.

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[bobhikes]

How about simple incidents. If I observed one car hit another, why couldn't it be the case that I know one car hit another?

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Because are senses and memory are limited. I could easily fool you into believing you observed one car hit another car.

 

[syo]

But certainly not interchangeable, or do you think they're synonyms?

As for what they are, I almost asked for definitions in the OP, but decided against it for fear of taking the thread off track.

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If I see the sky is blue, that moment I know the sky is blue.

If I close my eyes and someone asks me what color is the sky, I will guess the sky is blue,and I'll believe the sky might be blue at that moment.

 

[Skwim]

If I see the sky is blue, that moment I know the sky is blue.

If I close my eyes and someone asks me what color is the sky, I will guess the sky is blue,and I'll believe the sky might be blue at that moment.

So knowing is limited to immediate apprehension?

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[SalixIncendium]

You could show it by devouring a pie for two or more all by yourself.

I have also devoured my ex-wife's cooking, but it was because I was hungry and there was nothing else in the house to eat.

Had you tasted my ex's food, you would know that devouring food isn't necessarily a sign that you like it.

 

[dybmh]

You could show it by devouring a pie for two or more all by yourself.

 

[dybmh]

At what point does believing something change into knowing it?

Believing something is subjective?
Knowing something is objective?

Belief becomes knowledge when it can be proven to others.

 

[Willamena]

.At what point does believing something change into knowing it?
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It doesn't.

The question is absurd.

 

[atanu]

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At what point does believing something change into knowing it?​

Epistemology itself is, to some extent, an axiomatic premise. To me, truth is that which passes the following six:

The ancient and medieval texts of Advaita Vedanta and other schools of Hindu philosophy discuss Pramana (epistemology). The theory of Pramana discusses questions like how correct knowledge can be acquired; how one knows, how one doesn't; and to what extent knowledge pertinent about someone or something can be acquired.[206][207] Advaita Vedānta,[208] accepts the following six kinds of pramāṇas:[209][210]

1. Pratyakṣa (प्रत्यक्षाय) - perception
2. Anumāṇa (अनुमान) - inference
3. Upamāṇa (उपमान) - comparison, analogy
4. Arthāpatti (अर्थापत्ति) - postulation, derivation from circumstances[207][211]
5. Anupalabdi (अनुपलब्धि) - non-perception, negative/cognitive proof[212]
6. Śabda (शब्द) - relying on word, testimony of past or present reliable experts[207][212]

Advaita Vedanta - Wikipedia

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: We can try to show what we know but that does not mean that others will see what we see. Others cannot know what we know unless they see what we see.

Polymath257 said: Which means it is opinion and not knowledge.

No, not necessarily. People can be looking at the same knowledge but that does not mean all those people will experience or understand the same knowledge in the same way.

knowledge;
1. facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
2. awareness or familiarity gained by experience of a fact or situation.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=knowledge+means

 

[Willamena]

Believing something is subjective?
Knowing something is objective?

Belief becomes knowledge when it can be proven to others.

One person alone in the universe can know.