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Believing Vs Knowing
- Thread starter Skwim
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whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
Neither wishful thinking or mere intellectual assent is saving faith anyhow.
'The demons believe and tremble' says James.
The problem is even after all is settled and you 'know' the facts are true concerning who Jesus was and what He did on the cross, a syllogistic father is merely intellectual ascent.
One needs to treasure and trust to move to saving faith. New treasures and new pleasures which come with a new birth and drive repentance and other fruit
Skwim
Veteran Member
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
As AronRa is fond of saying"If you can't show it you don't know it".
Earthling
David Henson
And I presume he can show that? Aron Ra may show himself something to his own satisfaction but that doesn't constitute much.
Earthling
David Henson
I don't know, but I believe the irony in your signature is satirical. Self deprecating?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
When it comes to claims about evolution he is hard to beat. Creationists look like the fools that they are when they go against him.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
No, the other one.
Earthling
David Henson
That's not saying much, though is it? They hardly know their own Bible, surely you don't expect them to hazard a guess at some alternative mythology.
THAT'S IT! I'm not saying another word on the subject. W-w-well you . . . you bewitched me!
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What makes you think that they do not know their Bible? They probably know it just as well as you do, if not better. I have noticed that when you debate the Bible that you have a hard time supporting your beliefs. That is usually not a good sign.
Earthling
David Henson
What other one?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
from what I've seen here at the forum....
you know if science or a strong line of thought displays it
you believe if your personal stamp of approval can apply
fine line
example.....science leads to the primordial singularity
science claims nothing will move until something moves it
I believe.....because science is fairly sure stuff
I know....there is a God
because of science
without a Creator....this reality is a mystery without resolve
and science has lost that......point
you know if science or a strong line of thought displays it
you believe if your personal stamp of approval can apply
fine line
example.....science leads to the primordial singularity
science claims nothing will move until something moves it
I believe.....because science is fairly sure stuff
I know....there is a God
because of science
without a Creator....this reality is a mystery without resolve
and science has lost that......point
Earthling
David Henson
And I've noticed that almost everything you say is pure unfounded opinion. Almost everything.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is not the case. I can and do support my claims when needed. When have you ever done so?
Earthling
David Henson
I've almost never noticed you do that. Me? Well, at least I try. The problem is, it doesn't fit with your own personal opinion. It's odd that someone as reasonable as you claim to be can't see that. That is, can't see beyond your unfounded opinion. About me or anything else you expound upon.
But, hey, that's the most interesting thing about you. I often wonder . . . I'm being serious here, not facetious . . . does that come from age? From education? Environment? Is it a personal flaw?
I don't know the answer and I probably never will.
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Ellen Brown
Well-Known Member
We can actually KNOW very little. To believe otherwise is lunacy.
Skwim
Veteran Member
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Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Awareness and understanding of a verifiable fact or proven theory is knowledge, serious consideration of an unverifiable or non-falsifiable hypothesis is belief.
There have been accidental discoveries, but most knowledge is acquired through the scientific method. ...
There have been accidental discoveries, but most knowledge is acquired through the scientific method. ...
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The answer to me is when there is evidence.
To me the evidence can be external, in other words the scientific method.
The evidence can also be internal, experiential, the experience of the mystic - one who travels the spiritual path until he or she reaches the destination.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, that is not the case. You have the mistaken idea that you are a source. Your interpretation of the Bible is no more valid than that of anyone if you cannot find outside sources that support you. All you can demonstrate is your own opinion. You are projecting your sins upon others.
I can support my scientific claims. I can even support the biblical claims that I make. You might want to work on that.