Grandliseur
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You are correct, the two are different and one does not follow the other.
I, however, believe that God exists, and, I know I am right. I have direct experience for this claim.
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Believing and Knowing. They are different!
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I, however, believe that God exists, and, I know I am right. I have direct experience for this claim.
I also believe that God exists and I have direct experience for it, but I do not believe my opinion of God is all right.
Some people do.
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
No human can know what God is; we can only know what is revealed and what we learn from experience.
I agree. Though I understand that what I think I know is subject to my own attitude.
Grandliseur
Well-Known Member
It cannot be any other way.
although... you could be right
Yes. I could be. The longer I stay with Jesus the smarter I get, imo.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It doesn't have to be. A lot of people say something/their belief is real because of their research, experiences, and so forth and don't mind drawing the conclusion based on their on their real experiences and interpretations and the belief itself. It's really trusting what you believe and experience is right or true.
If you can live well without knowing what you believe is true via faith, then everything is fine. It does confuse me but then not everyone walks in your shoes.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Yes, and that means you're an agnostic, which any reasonable person should be regardless of their beliefs.
I am not an agnostic because I think like I trust God and I live most of the time like I trust God.
I have heard that even when someone thinks he believes in God but he acts contrary to the loving, wise, and knowledgeable God, he is an atheist.
I am observing atheists behaving like they believe god and God believers as though they don't.
The things I don't want to do, I find myself doing it...
The thinks I want to do, I find myself not doing it...
What is my answer to this dichotomy of positions?
Jesus!
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Well, yes. Belief is different than knowledge. Knowledge is reserved for the Gnostics, whereas the lack thereof is agnostic. Belief on the other hand makes theists different from atheists.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
belief leads one to test the belief. knowing is a tiny world in an infinite existence, and is subject to modification, and change. so what can be known but what we devise to navigate reality. what we sense is real and some scientists will try to talk people into accepting all is an illusion. meanwhile love, and hate, joy and suffering stir in the soul, and who recognizes that as knowledge of something very very real.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Believing and 'knowing'lol aren't different, inherently. They are descriptive of a persons assertation as to a fact.
Some people "know" that pink unicorns roam mars, other people say that you can't really know anything.
These are subjective usage, nothing to do with how you personally determine the truth of the idea.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Belief doesn't mean 'not know'.
It's a word that can mean know, not know, or any variation of those ideas.
Without further specification , when the word belief is used, you only know the persons personal truth.
It's a word that can mean know, not know, or any variation of those ideas.
Without further specification , when the word belief is used, you only know the persons personal truth.
whirlingmerc
Well-Known Member
If you mean saving faith and knowledge they are different
The demons believe and tremble.... they have lots of facts they know to be true but hate and oppose them
Likewise depends what you mean by knowing.... Eternal life is knowing God according to John 17:3 but that is more than having facts, it's like a husband and wife knowing each other deeply and loving each other in relationship.... so I assume you don't mean that... I assume you mean merely having data and believing the data to be true and that falls short of saving faith