They are just theories not facts .
Indeed life is programmed , if not programmed , your body could be random so you not could live for 1 minute .
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Believers and Disbelievers
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To be fair, most concepts of deity are more reasonable than Abraham's. Some are entirely reasonable.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html
Not programmed... selected.
Evolution is no more evidence of design than, say, the normal distribution.
I am talking about evolution from specie to another .
the extinct animals during the history has nothing to do with my point .
Selected !!! who select , and how ? who select the design of human body for exemple ?
The life is different than Algorithm ,bro .
When you born you did not select your gender,and moment, and the most important you would not select when you will die(off)
I can only assume you are not using the scientific definition of "species" and are lacking in access to the proper resources, then.
The matter is pretty much settled, and has been for at least a few decades.
There is (rather obviously, even) no sentience at all behind the attributes of the human body. It just happens that in the tree of vertebrates the human body is one of those who developed from mutations and speciation and happened to be viable enough to survive to this day.
http://tle.westone.wa.gov.au/conten...nce_3b.zip/content/003_mechanisms/page_03.htm
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-selection-pressure.htm
The development of the specifically human phenotype was utterly accidental. Its success at surviving and reproducing when competing species failed at it is not accidental, though. It is a consequence of the selective pressure of the environment.
Had the environment been sufficiently different, humans might well never have developed in the first place. Or they might have developed only to become extinct at some later point.
Or the specific mutations and resulting speciation might have been different by sheer luck of the draw, resulting in no human beings at all. Some other species might have developed sentience, or perhaps no one would.
True, but I don't see why that connects to the subject at hand.
Natural selection is indeed natural. It is not made by humans, or even (purposefully) by other lifeforms.Sorry bro ,we have no choice (select)
Going back to the OP, I have to wonder if it might be suffering from a lack of anthropological knowledge.
Most Muslims and many Christians sometimes imply that they expect all people to "deep down" share their very specific and IMO atypical understanding of what a deity is "supposed to be".
God-beliefs are in fact far more varied than that. But Christian and Muslim societies do not seem to like to admit it or to remind people of it. Perhaps because they tend to associate belief in God with important social and moral references.
Most Muslims and many Christians sometimes imply that they expect all people to "deep down" share their very specific and IMO atypical understanding of what a deity is "supposed to be".
God-beliefs are in fact far more varied than that. But Christian and Muslim societies do not seem to like to admit it or to remind people of it. Perhaps because they tend to associate belief in God with important social and moral references.
Nothing new. how much time could surviving that first cell could survive alone ?
Indeed it's the most important two moments in your life !
It's important everybody was notice your birth (you could not) and everybody will notice your end (you could not)
you had no choice ,and you would have no choice . (that's what God said in Quran) , even you disagree with , you had no way to run from this truth .
HonestJoe
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I can’t answer the poll because I both “Don’t know” and “Don’t believe”. I don’t believe in any gods precisely because I don’t know. I’ve not seen any definitive evidence that the universe needs a creator and even if I did, that wouldn’t tell us which of the infinite range of potential creators actually existed so I still wouldn’t believe in any particular god or gods.
I disagree not natural selection , who put intelligence inside cell to build "other" seperated body , male and female .
The first organisms were probably not quite cells yet. If they could survive long enough in their native environments to reproduce, that should have been enough to become our ancestors. Considering that the hypothesis is that said environments were conducive to their spontaneous development, I would expect the reproduction part to have been the bigger challenge.
I don't know that I agree that the moments of birth and death are all that important, but in any case that does not affect the matters of natural selection and development of species, does it now?
Natural selection has nothing to do with choices, unless you mean choices made by the environment.
I'm still not sure why you are talking about choices.
Not sure what you mean by disagreement here.
No one did. It was an accidental development. An useful one, for certain, but an accidental one nonetheless.
I meant how much time could the first cell ever of "meat" could survive ?
If we put a cell of meat in water , how much time could survive , why could be two cells instead , and build new life ?
Why you don't think that moments of birth and death are not important ?
ah, I know why ; because you had no choice (brith) , and you would have no choice (death)
What choices made by environment , why did not choice to body to live forever .
There was not accidental development in someting intellegence and planned.
If someone come to you and told you the plane,car is made by it self , do you believe him ?
muhammad_isa
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Are you saying that the fact life evolves is a random phenomenon, or what?
Meat in the usual sense came a long time after life itself. By that point whole ecosystems would already be in place.
Early lifeforms were probably much like modern bacteria and amoebas, eating by phagocytosis and reproducing by cell fission.
They are important in some senses, but I am simply not sure why they would have biological or religious significance. The religious significance will and does depend a lot on cultural expectations.
Are you asking why living beings are not immortals? Mainly because their very existence is accidental. But also because immortality is ecologically quite unsustainable.
No, but that (the Watchmaker's Argument) does not apply at all to biology.
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It is guided by selective pressure, but ultimately it is also random.
how much time could survice a cell of meat alone in water .
Early lifeforms is end , not anymore ?
how could bacteria convert to a cell of meat ?
Its important indeed , I mean you had no control in your body when come to life or death points .
do you think why life is not immortal , why humans could not succeed to be immortal despite the science .
Indeed it's yes , how a plane or car made by human , and human body is made by just like that !!!
what do you think is more complicated the human body or car ?