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Belief without Works and Dead Birds

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, May 21, 2020.

  1. Fool

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    Is it true that belief without works is dead for Christian?


    dead bird? dead, dead bird? ain't gonna fly dead bird?
     
  2. Thief

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    the flip is also bad....
    working to the goal that you don't believe in
     
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    The Bible says that even the demons believe and shudder.

    James says that Faith without works is dead, being alone.
     
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    i need a mop for the kitchen.


    what do you think about this?



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    Jesus' Sermon On the Mount is chock full of things we should do as Christians. It's "works under the [Jewish] Law" that are unnecessary, with the exception of those mandated by Jesus and the Apostles.
     
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    I assume it works, do you have belief in it?
     
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    might be a little overkill for my small kitchen. i was trying to prove thief's point
     
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    so why do you suppose some christians practice anthropolatry instead of doing the work of the sermon on the mount? why focus on the negative vs the positive?


    like matthew 7:22



     
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    Hmm, we are open plan, over 900 square feet of marble tiles it takes a lot of work and belief to keep it clean.

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    thanks for the smile yesterday


    that seems a bit more reasonable for me


    today you will smile at someone. hopefully that someone will mirror. i'm happy for you and them across all this space.



     
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    yep....overkill

    I keep a raggy bath towel on the floor in the kitchen

    I just smear it over anything I drop
     
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    Makes the cat jump.
     
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    and another smile
     
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    They tend to reflect Martin Luther's "saved by grace alone" belief. Then their position has it that if one is a "true believer" they will do good works that Jesus taught.

    In Catholicism, that's considered heretical in a dangerous way as these "true believers" may feel they are "saved" just on the basis of belief alone, thus turning their approach into what I call "rocking chair religion", namely just sitting back with nice p.c. thoughts, and that's all. Gandhi was very critical of that approach, thus saying that all too many "elevated the man and forgot his message".
     
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    What do you mean by "works" here?

    If a Christian explains to me that my marriage to another dude makes me a hell bound sinner, and truly believes that he's preaching the Word of God in an attempt to save my soul, does that count as "works"?
    Tom
     
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    jesus was focusing on the needy and not those who have to much time and anything
     
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    That's not an answer to my question.

    Tom
     
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    Yes. For example, if it is said to you “love others” you may believe it has been said, but if you don’t do as said, the belief means nothing and is not meaningful.
     
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