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Does Behe publishing in QRB mean the peer review process has failed, or that Behe is a legitimate scientist doing legitimate science?
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Well, getting it published in QRB certainly does raise questions of its peer review policy, particularity in view of some of the critiques of the paper.Does Behe publishing in QRB mean the peer review process has failed, or that Behe is a legitimate scientist doing legitimate science?
Well, getting it published in QRB certainly does raise questions of its peer review policy, particularity in view of some of the critiques of the paper.
HERE is one of them.
Behe has provided a useful survey of mutations that cause adaptation in short-term lab experiments on microbes (note that at least one of theseRich Lenskis study extends over several decades).
Creationists do real science, probably in all fields of scientific endeavor. What real scientists do not do, however, is creation science.The information that I gather from the internets is creationists don't do real science, only evolutionary biologists that promote the ToE do real science.
Well, those and a host of other scientists do real science. But you are correct in noting that almost every creationist does not do real science. Those that do almost invariably work in unrelated fields. And I would say that exceptionally few creationists actually understand the science behind evolution, and those that do choose to ignore it because either they have to in order to hang onto their faith or they've found that promoting creationism can be a cash cow.The information that I gather from the internets is creationists don't do real science, only evolutionary biologists that promote the ToE do real science.
The information that I gather from the internets is creationists don't do real science, only evolutionary biologists that promote the ToE do real science.
Behe is a legitimate scientist and he does legitimate science... he just doesn't do any of it to demonstrate ID... even this paper is just a review of adaptive mutations seen in short-term lab experiments with bacteria.Does Behe publishing in QRB mean the peer review process has failed, or that Behe is a legitimate scientist doing legitimate science?
They don't do real science in support of creationism. Many creationists do science in support of evolution or at least within the "evolutionary framework" everyday and then go to church and preach against the very work they just did.The information that I gather from the internets is creationists don't do real science, only evolutionary biologists that promote the ToE do real science.
That's right.The information that I gather from the internets is creationists don't do real science, only evolutionary biologists that promote the ToE do real science.
Peer Review isn't a perfect process and it clearly has flaws that become a minor nuisance when journals are crunched for time and funds. But peer review doesn't end with publication, and bad papers are usually shredded in the follow up commentary and citation process.
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This is what creationists have been trying to tell evolutionists for years. The peer review process if flawed. It is scientists that believe in evolution peer reviewing scientists that believe in evolution and if they find a scientist that believes in creation then they are snubbed.
He's not being snubbed, he is being told flaws in his methodology. Those flaws have nothing to do with his world view.This is what creationists have been trying to tell evolutionists for years. The peer review process if flawed. It is scientists that believe in evolution peer reviewing scientists that believe in evolution and if they find a scientist that believes in creation then they are snubbed.
I haven't had the chance to read his paper (link, anyone?) but according to one blog I saw, Behe says we have not observed novel "Complex Functional elemenTs" (CFTs) evolve in the microbial evolution experiments that have been done to date. The definition of a CFT seems a bit vague to me, but at any rate apparently Behe admits the evolution of human sickle-cells as an example of the evolution of a CFT. But the remarkable phenotype of sickle-cells is caused by a single mutation of a single nucleic acid in the hemoglobin protein. Haven't we observed many such adaptations in microbial evolution experiments? I recently went to a lecture where bacteria were observed to evolve resistance to Cipro in a matter of hours, due to a single mutation of a single nucleic acid.I think it already has in the bloggosphere. I agree with many of the commenters, he did a poor and confusing job of supporting his premise. But he does give a good review of short-term evolution experiments and their resulting beneficial mutations.
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Damn right they're snubbed. And for good reasons too. If your "science" relies on a book that was written a couple thousand years ago, by men who knew so little about the world around them, you don't get published until you can demonstrate why that book is a good authority.