Before the Word Homosexual

[Deeje]

Look up Argument from Incredulity Fallacy your assertions above are a great example.


I have no idea why you are bringing science into this I have not mentioned it in this thread. Got any other stawman arguments you want to bring up?



No the burden of proof lies entirely with you, if you want to ramble on about what god knows then it is up to you to prove he exists. I can prove I exist, so my opinion right or wrong is at least coming from something tangible.

If you have ample proof your god exists show it and step up for your Nobel prize!

Ever hear of the saying..."a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still"?

I won't waste my time on further dialogue.....been there, done that....you guys will never see what you don't want to...but its OK....we all have choices and all choices have consequences.....

Enjoy your day...or evening, whichever the case may be.

 

[Justanatheist]

Ever hear of the saying..."a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still"?

I won't waste my time on further dialogue.....been there, done that....you guys will never see what you don't want to...but its OK....we all have choices and all choices have consequences.....

Enjoy your day...or evening, whichever the case may be.

And you guys never accept the burden of proof.

It's 0245 here, goodnight or good morning depending on your sleep patterns!

 

[Fool]

In the bible, its not a word that represents homosexuality. Its a description.

yet we know that in those times there was sex trafficking of young boys by many cultures. its still an issue today in pakistan. google dancing boys of pakistan.


this is not being addressed in either the OT or the NT if you use only the idea of males having sex with males. that is a broad subject. we know there were eunuchs that were married yet jesus praises the idea of eunuchs. eunuchs can have sex but they can't have children

 

[Fool]

I think that might be a slip of the finger - pederasty being the true word to use - and being the annoying pedant that I can be.

i was using a tablet that for some reason autocorrected almost every word i was using. sorry for the confusion.


pederastry

 

[firedragon]

yet we know that in those times there was sex trafficking of young boys by many cultures. its still an issue today in pakistan. google dancing boys of pakistan.


this is not being addressed in either the OT or the NT if you use only the idea of males having sex with males. that is a broad subject. we know there were eunuchs that were married yet jesus praises the idea of eunuchs. eunuchs can have sex but they can't have children

Bible calls them "arsenokoitus" in the NT. I will cut and paste an older post so that you may get a little familiar.

What is not noted much seems to be the similarity in the Biblical usage of a word that represents homosexuality to the word homosexual. I mean Saul. Not exactly the same, but similar in nature. Only thing is, the greek word used there is masculine.

The word Arsen means man. Koitus is the ancestor of Coitus meaning to bed. At least the word Arsenokoite means "homosexual" as in Male to Male homosexuality. I think you can easily deem it one word, but it describes what its talking about.

 

[Fool]

“Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:49-50‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
The prideful, haughty attitude with the other attitudes led to the abominations in Sodom. Men having sex with men, women with women have always been an abomination in God’s eyes. The only sexual expression God blesses is between husband and wife according to the Scriptures.

being haughty is pretending you are greater than other as self


original sin is based on heterosexual sex

 

[Fool]

Bible calls them "arsenokoitus" in the NT. I will cut and paste an older post so that you may get a little familiar.

What is not noted much seems to be the similarity in the Biblical usage of a word that represents homosexuality to the word homosexual. I mean Saul. Not exactly the same, but similar in nature. Only thing is, the greek word used there is masculine.

The word Arsen means man. Koitus is the ancestor of Coitus meaning to bed. At least the word Arsenokoite means "homosexual" as in Male to Male homosexuality. I think you can easily deem it one word, but it describes what its talking about.

i already know the word being used.

its interesting that jesus never broaches the subject as a great issue but paul does. what paul refers to as unnatural is seen through out nature

 

[Fool]

I don’t think it really matters what the word is, because the problem and thing that is not accepted is the wrong sexual act:

You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestible.
Lev. 18:22

obviously you didn't read the article.

 

[firedragon]

i already know the word being used.

its interesting that jesus never broaches the subject as a great issue but paul does. what paul refers to as unnatural is seen through out nature

Thats true.

Paul not only speaks ill of homosexuals, even "soft men" are condemned along with alcoholics, thieves, and fornicators. Malakoi, Methusoi, Kleptoi, and Pornos, respectively.

 

[Fool]

Thats true.

Paul not only speaks ill of homosexuals, even "soft men" are condemned along with alcoholics, thieves, and fornicators. Malakoi, Methusoi, Kleptoi, and Pornos, respectively.

he also doesn't want women teaching but jesus never forbids this. in fact, he engages with women; which in polite jewish society is a no no.


so paul's teachings are somewhat eskewed. he follows in line with man made rules vs the golden rule

 

[firedragon]

he also doesn't want women teaching but jesus never forbids this. in fact, he engages with women; which in polite jewish society is a no no.


so paul's teachings are somewhat eskewed. he follows in line with man made rules vs the golden rule

I have to agree with that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

original sin is based on heterosexual sex

No it wasn’t, original sin was rebellion and disobeying God’s command. That act brought death and a curse. That has resulted in all kinds of immorality.

 

[Fool]

No it wasn’t, original sin was rebellion and disobeying God’s command. That act brought death and a curse. That has resulted in all kinds of immorality.

separation from god is sin, or the lack of love for all as self.

a house divided against itself, without love will fail.


your house is left to you desolate

 

[Jainarayan]

Those who have these preposterous ideas will have them anyway, however we phrase it, so I don't mind feeding them in advance.

And knowing Kali Yuga lasts more than 100.000 years it would be silly to debate about 100 years before or after Krishna left the earth I think. But debating about God is silly anyway when you think about it

And now they can even debate "you see Krishna is God, and didn't even manage to improve things, and worse, He chickened out when the **** hit the fan" (just to give the anti-guys some extra food for thought)

Anyway when Avatar is on Earth then it can't be Kali Yuga (era of wicketness) IMO. So, I do agree with you that it could not be Kali Yuga while Krishna was on Earth; before and after "yes", but not during God's stay on Earth. Such an event is most auspicious. The moment God incarnates we have God on earth, meaning Heaven is on Earth, because Heaven is where God is how can it be any different?

I like the way you think!

 

[ElishaElijah]

separation from god is sin, or the lack of love for all as self.

a house divided against itself, without love will fail.


your house is left to you desolate

Probably explain what you’re trying to communicate, you’re not making any sense

 

[Fool]

Probably explain what you’re trying to communicate, you’re not making any sense

then you should understand this easily, unless the lord of love builds the house, those who build it, labor in vain.