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Be thankful that sanity has returned to America — for now

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by sun rise, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    I am thankful for relative sanity in our government including new claims for unemployment at a record low.

    I reformatted the article's Trump list for clarity.

    Be thankful that sanity has returned to America — for now

    In this season of thanksgiving, let us be grateful that some measure of calm and sanity has returned to the White House. The United States, at least for now, has a stable, functioning government. The president is not making everything about himself, nor creating chaos for its own sake.

    The stock market is higher than it ever was under President Donald Trump; the S&P 500 has hit more than 50 record highs so far in 2021.

    By this time in Trump’s first year, he had:
    • praised the “very fine people” marching among violent neo-Nazis in Charlottesville;
    • fired the FBI director for investigating his national security adviser;
    • replaced his national security adviser,
      • chief of staff,
      • press secretary,
      • communications director,
      • chief strategist,
      • secretary of homeland security
      • and secretary of health and human services;
    • ripped up treaties
    • and threatened to pull out of NATO;
    • threatened nuclear war on Twitter;
    • attempted to impose what aides called a “Muslim ban
    • and disparaged a “so-called judge” who objected; belittled U.S. intelligence
    • and shared sensitive Israeli intelligence with Russia;
    • sabotaged Obamacare;
    • falsely claimed his predecessor had tapped his phone lines;
    • embraced Stalin’s phrase “enemy of the people” to describe the free press;
    • exposed the “dreamers” to deportation;
    • stood by a Senate candidate accused of sexually assaulting a minor;
    • tossed paper towels (but not the needed aid) at hurricane-ravaged Puerto Rico;
    • continued nonsense claims about a “deep state”;
    • insulted hundreds of people in often vulgar and misspelled tweets;
    • made more than 1,600 false or suspect statements;
    • and, yes, shoved the prime minister of Montenegro before a photo op
    • and insulted German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
     
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  2. The Hammer

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    "Not my president".

    Or yours any more.
     
  3. Snow White

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    That's nice. I'm just not sure the GOP won't come back in full force 2022 and 2024, especially with Biden's 42 percent approval rating, and like an angry wolverine due to Democrats not really working much with Republicans.
     
  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    What do you think "Democrats working much with Republicans" would look like? So far as I can tell, the Republican agenda is "don't do anything," and "appoint Republicans everywhere."

    Do you have an example of something positive suggested by Republicans that Democrats or Biden have refused to even consider?
     
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  5. Nakosis

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    I'd suggest getting rid of all the incumbents.
    Maybe the two parties would get the idea they had better find a way to start working together.
     
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    Not to necessarily defend Trump but if you think anything about Biden's administration is sane. Then you have a maddening sense of "sanity".
     
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  7. Snow White

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    I was talking mostly about the filibuster. If I recall, Republicans dared Democrats to bypass the filibuster, saying they'll bypass it when they regain control, if Democrats bypassed it. And Democrats bypassed it anyway.
     
  8. Polymath257

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    When was the last time Republicans 'worked with' Democrats?

    In the last 20 years, ALL I have seen the Reps do is block *anything* the Dems propose and then claim the Dems aren't 'working with them'. When the Dems adopt something the Reps say they wanted, the Reps suddenly don't want it any more. But when Reps are in power, they say 'well, we won the election, so tough luck'.
     
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  9. Snow White

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    My whole point in this particular thread was pretty much just that if sanity has returned for now, to enjoy it, but the way the American political system works, we're not "free", things can change in an instant, be undone by the next administration, etc. In this political climate.

    I may have asserted additional things in other threads, but that's all I was really saying in this one. That, and I see a lot of unhappiness in the GOP right now, who may once again mostly be in control of things in 2-4 years or less.
     
  10. Snow White

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    It's true that Republicans don't pitch much. They mostly want things the same or from years ago. Whether they want things from Jesus' time, or from when the Christian evangelicalism movement sprang up in America some years ago, I can't say
     
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    I suspect if Americans allow their sanity to be affected by whoever happens to be President at the time, that might be part of the problem. :shrug:
     
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  12. Twilight Hue

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    That's their nature.

    They are the proverbial snakes in the grass.
     
  13. lewisnotmiller

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    Why do you see the filibuster as valid and required?
     
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    Why do you see the filibuster as valid and required?
     
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  15. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Term limits! Term limits! Such a beautiful idea to curb "career politicians."
     
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  16. Snow White

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    The filibuster can be one's best friend or their worst enemy. Because whatever side can take full control, controls most things and can pass their agendas. A filibuster can be a stopgap from that.

    A filibuster gets the two sides to work together. So even if it requires compromise, you end up with both Republican and Democrat ideas running the country.

    Without a filibuster, in my eyes, you end up with things like 4-8 years of full Republican control, then 4-8 years of full Democrat control, or so on or so forth. With both sides spending that time undoing the good ideas and bad ideas both, of the other.

    While I do think I may be painting with too broad a brush, I did have a larger point that in cases where the two sides don't work together, you end up with the country constantly thrust into extremes, the way the two-party system works.
     
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    It may well be. Politics is pretty unpredictable these days. I saw a report that explained that Reagan was down to the 40's in his second year with massive inflation and scandals. Yet he was able to come back and win re-election. I think 2022 is a big question, and the corruption in election boards in some red states by republicans will be a big factor.
     
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    Right, supporting struggling families is insane. Repairing our crumbling infrastructure is not smart or wise. Establishing voting rights will just lead to more democracy, we can't have that.

    We need a corrupt autocrat who will work for the wealthy.
     
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    I actually don't. I think the filibuster is useless and just exacerbates things further.

    Yet at the same time I also don't like intentional skirting the process either just to force things through.
     
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    Supporting struggling families? Repairing infrastructure?

    What planet is that from?
     
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