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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by questfortruth, May 2, 2019.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    The Darwin's Biological Evolution is being used by wrong people as part in attempt to prove, that un-natural things are needless. Such attempt is the misuse of the Methodological Naturalism. After its completion, the God would be Scientifically Disproven (or as Dr. Friedrich Nietzsche would joyfully say -- killed). But it is far from completion yet, and new problems do grow in exponential progression. So, currently the Darwin's Theory without working Big Bang Theory is like the completion of the Venus statue out of marble without making the first hummer stroke. So, it is Nothingness, it is Death, it is the Fact of Wishful Thinking -- the wish is solipsism. Also, the Fermi Paradox is the conflict between observations (the SETI has not recorded signs of life activity in Cosmos) and agenda to disprove God. In conclusion, Death of God is a collection of an infinite number of ad hoc hypotheses. One of such ad hoc hypothesises is ``Valid'' Big Bang Theory.
     
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    I think for starters we need to define what are "un-natural things." Can you provide us some examples of things that are "un-natural?"
     
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    First Biological evolution is not Darwin's it is the science of evolution. Second, It is not part any attempt to disprove that un-natural things are needless (?)' Third, the science of abiogenesis and evolution do try and 'prove' anything. Fourth, all sciences do not nor cannot falsify any theory nor hypothesis beyond the objective verifiable evidence that includes any philosophical or theological assumption and beliefs.

    I assume here that you are referring to theological beliefs of the existence of God(s) and spiritual world's beyond our physical existence as 'un-natural.'.

    The science of evolution has already falsified and demonstrated beyond any reasonable, and nothing here involves religious beliefs..

    To many anecdotal and subjective assumptions. Nothing here related to the science of abiogenesis nor evolution.
     
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    Speaking of faux-facts!
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    No it's not. And that's where I stopped reading.
     
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    Natural or Not Natural. Otherwords: Natural or "Super Natural".
     
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    Don't be scared, God loves you.
     
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    Did Darwin something for Science or didn't?
     
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    Proofreading. Learn it, love it, live it.
     
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    From what I hear Nietzsche is like you. Like you Nietzsche is afraid that with the loss of God will come the destruction of the underpinnings of Western Civilization. Charles Darwin is not the U.S.S.R. He does not desire to steal God from people. He is not a politician, either.

    You are Greek Orthodox, and what does one of your prophets, Isaiah, have to say about it? Isaiah 52:5 “(NIV) 'And now what do I have here?' declares the LORD. 'For my people have been taken away for nothing, and those who rule them mock,' declares the LORD. 'And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed.' " I think Isaiah is saying rather than Science and arguments the problem is unjust governance. These issues need to be addressed, because they are moral issues. Then you will see the end of blasphemy. All of these concerns about Evolution are misspent energies.
     
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    The Darwin's Biological Evolution is being used by wrong people as part in attempt to prove, that un-natural things are needless.
     
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    That can never be proved, but injustice confuses people.

    People are not leaving God because of scientific arguments. They are running away from an injustice that is falsely claimed to be God's will. Why did people run to the Bolsheviks and to Lenin? They ran away from Tzars. The Tzars were unjust in the name of God, and so the people ran for protection from them and even, they thought, from God. Today people are doing the same thing. Who has not heard of evil coming from priests and pastors? Who has not experienced it? Despite this people are told they must have pastors and priests. What do you think they are going to do in that situation? They will run, but are they really running from God? No, they are running from injustice, and God is everywhere.

    Anyways Science is just a tool, and it is based on what we see. God is invisible, so it can't see God. That doesn't make it evil. Your eyes can't see God, yet you don't put them out of your head.
     
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    You don’t need evolution nor science in general to show that supernatural things are needless. It would be like using a nuclear device to kill a mosquito.

    They are needless. Needless to say.

    Ciao

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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    'physical existence': What constitutes us may not always be in a physical form. We are made up of atoms and atoms are energy. Physical and non-physical are not unrelated.
    The second line, of course, is news to me - already falsified and demonstrated beyond any reasonable (doubt).
     
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    You are saying that science, and evolution in particulicular is an attempt to disprove magical beliefs? Well, yes. It's primary goal is to understand how nature works, not validate and confirm preheld, unsupported assumptions and religious beliefs. What is wrong with that?

    Do you know that science was a part of religion originally, and its quest was to try to understand how God's creation is put together in order to better understand and appreciate the Creator? Why don't you start there yourself. Maybe Evolution is telling you something about the Creator. Why not use it to worship God through, and the marvel of His works?

    Anything wrong with that? Why not use science to tell you more about God?
     
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    ... threats notwithstanding.... I'm not afraid of your threats.

    If I were? I'd not be an atheist.
     
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    What? We are long-long past what Darwin wrote about-- he had no clue about DNA or Epigenetics or any of that.

    He had a good grasp of inheritance, due to the work of Gregor Mendel and others, though.

    However, since you begin with a False Statement 4 words in? I'm going to stop reading further, until I see some clarification.
     
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    Trying to make friends? Most people prefer a handshake or the word hello.

    Another way of putting that is people used to believe in atoms, but now we believe that atoms are not truly atomic. Yes, the problem is not that Science can't see God but that people try to shoehorn Science into an instrument that could prove God exists.
     
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    I think you are trying to conflate, and thus confuse philosophy, with science. However, it appears that English is not your first language so I might be simply misreading your attempted ideological proposition.
     
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    Atoms, energy and the Quantum World remain part of the physical world and subject to falsification of theories and hypothesis by Methodological Naturalism

    Yes, the science of evolution is falsified and demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt.

    News to you? It is science.
     
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