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Barr attacks Trump's interference

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by sun rise, Feb 13, 2020.

  1. Mr Spinkles

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    Hey speaking of avoiding the actual topic and being a shill - do you agree with what Barr said? Were Trump’s tweets appropriate?

    Let me break it down for you:

    1. If I think Trump does something inappropriate, and Barr publicly agrees, and I’m glad Barr publicly agrees because it might make Trump less likely to engage in inappropriate behavior, I’m sticking with my principles to begin with. I’m not being a shill.

    2. If Trump does something inappropriate, and you know it’s inappropriate but you won’t admit it - and instead you spin things into an attack on Trump’s critics while ignoring the substance of whether his behavior was appropriate - THAT is being a shill.

    Great word by the way. “Shill”.
     
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  2. exchemist

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    No, but at least it seems to show Barr has not completely lost his.
     
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  3. Mr Spinkles

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    For what it’s worth, I do think the potential 7-9 years for Roger Stone seems very excessive. Barr says he is familiar with the case and he supports Stone being prosecuted and sentenced.

    But apparently the guy Stone was threatening (they know each other) wrote a letter to the court saying he did not feel physically threatened and asking for leniency on Stone’s behalf. Maybe that’s true, maybe not, but it should count for something. Stone is also old, and a first time offender.

    7 years seems like an extremely long sentence even for lying to the FBI and threatening a witness.

    Barr’s complaint against Trump is that his attacks on the DOJ and public requests regarding ongoing cases involving his allies, create optics that make it impossible to keep these decisions and processes independent. But Barr also thinks 7-9 years is excessive and that seems reasonable - he just wants Trump to stop interfering and let him do his job as an independent AG.
     
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  4. sooda

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    Did Stone defy the judge the way Manafort did? That NEVER works out well.
     
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  5. SkepticThinker

    SkepticThinker Well-Known Member

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    He still only has a kinda-sorta backbone though, given that he did intervene in the Roger Stone case.
     
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  6. SkepticThinker

    SkepticThinker Well-Known Member

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    From the OP:

    "And just in case any were wondering, this does not mean that I agree with him in the slightest but I respect his speaking out."


    That.
     
  7. SkepticThinker

    SkepticThinker Well-Known Member

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    A hard concept to fathom for purely black-and-white thinkers.
     
  8. Shad

    Shad Veteran Member

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    I never attacked Barr. I am just amused how quickly people flipped on Barr over one statement. Nothing more. Try again. Maybe read what I posted.
     
  9. Shad

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    What actions would those be? Uncovering FISA abuse and manipulation by the FBI?

    You are projecting a fiction here. I am just amused by the left.
     
  10. Mr Spinkles

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    You said Barr is “suddenly a darling on the left”. That’s nonsense. Please provide evidence to support this assertion.
     
  11. Mr Spinkles

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    You are amused by what words, specifically? It sounds like you are amused by your own straw men.
     
  12. Stanyon

    Stanyon WWDWD?

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    This all reminds me of when Mueller was the superman of the anti-Trumpeteers in some media and how great and wonderful he was and how his record was without question. After it came out as no collusion and the delusion was over l, there were reporters asking Mueller if he was a Russian asset. What a bunch of cowards
     
  13. SoyLeche

    SoyLeche meh...

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    I don’t recall that. Do you have a source?
     
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  14. Sunstone

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    I'm curious. What makes anyone think Bill Barr has suddenly become a man of character, integrity, and principle? Honestly, if you think that is what's happening here, please tell me why you think it?
     
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  15. Mr Spinkles

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    I don’t recall that either. I am guessing it came from RW media, the Twinkie's bar of sources of information.
     
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  16. Shad

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    This thread.
     
  17. Shad

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    You oppsed Barr's acts so I gave you example in which the government violated the rights of citizens and due process. You didn't say much to that.
     
  18. Mr Spinkles

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    Which post made Barr a “darling on the left”? You seem to be knocking down your own straw man.
     
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  19. Mr Spinkles

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    You’re lost, I didn’t oppose Barr’s acts. Try reading what I wrote.

    You’ve ignored Barr’s criticism of Trump entirely, which is the topic of the thread. Instead, you’ve chosen to knock down your own straw men and engage in what-about-ism. Why is that?
     
  20. Shad

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    I lost nothing. Making a mistake in who posted what does not make your argument win automatically. Hilarious fantasy. Try again.

    No I haven't. Assertion.

    As the left is suddenly praising the guy for nothing. See; this thread.
     
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