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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Watchmen

    Watchmen Well-Known Member
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    What a fascinating distinction you’ve made.
     
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    The "cannon" of the Christian text is the Gospels and the Epistles. This cannon wasn't sealed
    because it was old (as happened with the OT) it was sealed by Christ in book of Revelations.

    Others add their two cents to Christian thought, not meaning (?) to challenge or modify the
    scripture - but doing precisely that. Furthermore, many of these redactors of the NT became
    "saints" as well. And of course, you can't argue with SAINT AUGUSTINE, can you? And what
    is the Christian viewpoint on, say, war? Well, we will read Augustine's views.

    Another one is the doctrine of "Mother Teresa" which openly celebrates poverty.
    Many in the NT were wealthy or well off (Nicodemus, Mary and Martha, sons of Zebedee, Paul,
    Matthew, Luke, Centurion etc..) and Jesus spoke only of the "poor in spirit" which many proud
    poor people wouldn't understand. But there we have it - the celebration of economic disadvantage.
    This both adds and subtracts from the Gospel.
     
  3. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I've never heard any of them say to stay away from anti-Mormon material. Never once, and that's the truth. And as far as "banning" anything specific -- like that pathetic cartoon, for example -- that's utter nonsense. If you disagree, post a "banned reading material" list or a "banned movie" list for all to see. I've read so much anti-Mormon stuff over the years it's not even funny, and have never even considered the idea that I might be doing something wrong.
     
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  4. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Just a heads up...
    cannon: a large, heavy piece of artillery, typically mounted on wheels, formerly used in warfare.
    canon: a collection or list of sacred books accepted as genuine.
     
  5. Dragonslayer

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    You need to learn the basics about the Bible before you start asking silly questions. The Bible doesn't use the word "Abortion" because it's a recently invented word for child sacrifice.

    Evil, wicked people murder their babies in the womb as a "sacrifice", they won't admit it because the truth is not in them. They serve their sin, which serves Satan's purpose. He want's you to rebel and disobey God so that you can join Him in the lake of fire to be tormented in the flames of hell for ever and ever.

    A sinful and rebellious wicked person will ask why do Gods people call "abortion" child sacrifice. The answer is simple, a person murderers their baby for a reason and that reason is to facilitate their choice to live a sinful and rebellious wicked life and the baby would interfere with their ability to live the life they desire to live.

    A wicked woman doesn't submit herself to allow a wicked witch-doctor to murder her baby in her womb just for fun. It is painful but she will tolerate the pain to achieve her goal of sacrificing the baby to the Devil so she can continue to serve Him effective without the hindrance of the responsibility of raising a child.

    So the very act of aborting a child is for the purpose of making oneself available to serve their master unhindered. They will deny this fact but the very fact that give the highest priority to their ability to sin means that they are serving Satan because all He requires His followers to do is disobey God and they are serving His purpose for their lives perfectly well.

    Those wicked women are completely blinded by Satan and His Demons, they are so blind that they will even deny the existence of Satan and His Demons.

    Here are some Bible verses which demonstrate that abortion is sacrificing babies to Demons.


    Leviticus 18:21 - And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through [the fire] to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I [am] the LORD.

    Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

    Leviticus 20:1-5 - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (Read More...)

    Ezekiel 16:20-21 - Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. [Is this] of thy whoredoms a small matter, (Read More...)

    2 Kings 21:2-6 - And he did [that which was] evil in the sight of the LORD, after the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. (Read More...)

    2 Kings 17:17-18 - And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger. (Read More...)

    Psalms 106:37-38 - Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, (Read More...)

    Jeremiah 7:30-34 - For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it. (Read More...)

    Psalms 139:13 - 127:16 - For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. (Read More...)

    Psalms 127:3 - Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward.

    Jeremiah 7:31 - And they have built the high places of Tophet, which [is] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded [them] not, neither came it into my heart.

    Ezekiel 16:36-38 - Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them; (Read More...)

    Ezekiel 20:31 - For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.

    2 Kings 3:27 - Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him [for] a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to [their own] land.

    Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away [the punishment] thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:

    Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

    Deuteronomy 18:10 - There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
     
  6. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    So you admit the Bible DOESN'T actually say what you say it says.

    Understood.

    Your circular nonsense argument fails.
     
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    Ah yes, those wicked people who want to stop people like you from applying the Bible to lawmaking and having people murdered. How awful of them.

    A Marxist would likely point out that since 'religion is the opium of the masses' you've not actually cured yourself of addiction - you've just changed the stimulus


    I'll go with that so long as you accept that it took Christians nearly 1800 years to abolish the practice and that for the vast majority of Christendom's history slavery was legal.


    Incorrect. The earliest hospitals were situated in temples to various gods which existed centuries before Christianity arose in the Levant - the most notable kind being temples to the Greek god Asklepios, son of Apollo, who was a healer god and patron of doctors. Additionally, a Sinhalese chronicle of royalty (mentioned in the link on the first line of this paragraph) mentioned that "King Pandukabhaya of Sri Lanka (reigned 437 B.C. to 367 B.C.) had lying-in-homes and hospitals" which covers charity organisations too.


    And Christians can take credit for the murder of uncounted millions in the preceding centuries.


    It doesn't but I'm not surprised an American Christian would come out with such a moronic & ignorant statement. The ultimate goal of left-wing politics is to equalise society via the redistribution of wealth. Remember what Jesus said: "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven". Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jesus tell a man to give away all he had and follow him? Sounds like advocating wealth redistribution to me.


    No. That describes ritual infanticide which was the religious sacrifice of babies that were already born. It doesn't cover abortion.


    Given that you don't seem to understand the difference between abortion & infanticide, I'm glad you're not in a position make laws for anyone.


    Because the death penalty is unjust and irreversable. Not only does it lead to the execution of people who are later proven to have been innocent the whole time, it is also hypocritical for a Christian who claims to follow the Ten Commandments to be okay with killing - even if it's done by the State.


    So you'll sit back and rejoice while innocent people suffer rather than lift a finger to prevent evil. Well at least you're consistent in your apathy towards evil.


    "Thou shalt not kill".


    Except when you're dealing with the Ten Commandments, apparently.


    Hilarious. First off, it's the conservative far-right which has a greater track history of violence - the Charlottesville protest last year was merely the tip of the iceberg that is going to hit American society. Secondly, the states with the highest proportion of welfare recipients

    Second off, of the top 5 states with the highest unemployment rate, most of them are Republican.


    Yet none of this was thanks to Christian religious governance. You said yourself governments have stopped applying Biblical teachings to law; and this notion is reinforced by the fact that free & fair governance didn't start emerging until after the Enlightenment when Europeans and Americans began limiting the influence & scope of authority churches could have over government. While we've made some progress in that regard, there's still a long way to go - particularly in America. Too often the Church has been behind efforts to stifle progress such as the introduction of blasphemy laws and deliberately deceitful teachings about the nature of contraception.

    Were it otherwise, freedom of speech, belief & thought would have flourished in the Dark Ages and medieval Europe pre-Enlightenment. It didn't for obvious reasons.


    Pot, meet kettle. I'm fairly certain you wouldn't be advocating living in a theocracy so hard if you grew up under an Islamic one. You'd witness first hand the horrors people are subjected to when the law is created and interpreted through the lense of Abrahamic dogma.

    I'd be more inclined to take this claim of yours seriously if you hadn't just tried to take credit for a bunch of things Pagans did in more enlightened times.


    That's true for the both of us. I'm glad I live in a post-Enlightenment Europe where Christianity
     
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    To start with it would help if you understood the difference between an abortion and ritual infanticide which is what the likes of Elijah probably stood against. Abortion is the killing of a foetus in the mother's womb - i.e. not a baby because it hasn't been born yet. There's no reason beyond your own confirmation bias to assume there's any ritual or religious element to this.

    On the other hand, the infanticide perpetuated by Baal worshippers was the ritual burnt offering of born babies to appease their god.

    So this doesn't actually talk about abortion.

    The confrontations in the wider context of Phoenician polytheism were between the Israelites who worshipped El/Yahweh and who worshipped Baal is probably competition between the cult of El and what would eventually become the cult of Ba'al Ha'mmon in places such as Carthage in later centuries .


    You don't know the difference between an unborn foetus and a born baby.


    It's rather difficult to "murder" something that's not legally a person yet.


    Women may choose to have abortions for numerous reasons - some of these could be rape or incest. Would you deny women who had been raped an abortion if they had become pregnant from it?


    One would think that after admitting to being brain damaged you'd show some discretion over the atrocious amount of ****tery you spew. Abortions are not human sacrifices - they're not religious procedures.

    Women might want or need an abortion for any number of reasons and to lump them all together as being agents of Satan is profoundly idiotic.
     
  9. Katzpur

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    @Dragonslayer, I have a question for you: Since so many people deserve to die for their sins today, I'm wondering how many of those people God has told you to kill? (Now remember, I'm not talking about you murdering them; I'm talking about you killing them for Him.)

    If He hasn't told you to kill any of them, why in the world hasn't He?
    If He has told you to kill someone who needs to die at your hands, did you obey Him? Why or why not?
     
  10. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Hey, I'm brain damaged! Don't lump me in with this guy!!
     
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    Apparently you’re experience is different from mine. I can remember several times we were counseled from the pulpit to stay away from anti-Mormon literature. At least once the Bishop read a letter from the First Presidency on the topic. Of course there isn’t a “banned reading material” or “banned movie” list. But you already knew that, didn’t you? So shame on you for the suggestion. It seems disingenuous for you to claim you’ve never heard counsel to stay away from anti-Mormon literature, but I suppose that’s been you experience. I doubt it’s the same as others. In fact, a quick google shows many people asking about the counsel. Did the Church expressly refer to “anti-Mormon literature”? No. But the meaning was clear.
     
  12. Katzpur

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    Have you ever found me to be dishonest with people in the past, Watchman? It wasn't at all disingenuous for me to say what I did; I was being 100% honest and I am willing to acknowledge that you were being honest, too. Two different experiences.

    The closest thing I've ever heard to "counsel" of the sort that you mention comes from Church leadership responding in a more or less "unofficial" capacity to members who have been exposed to videos such as the "Banned Mormon Cartoon" in the OP. It's not at all unusual for family and friends of new converts to give them materials of this sort with the warning, "This is what your new Church teaches! Get out before it's too late!" The "counsel" has been to recognize the materials as being very biased and more than likely very inaccurate and to take it with a grain of salt.

    The thing is, when a cartoon starts out with a caption which states, "Banned Mormon Cartoon," the clear message is, "Mormons are forbidden to watch this. Their Church's leadership doesn't want them to see what they really believe!" You know as well as I do that there is NO SUCH THING as a "Banned Mormon Cartoon."
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    You don't understand the Bible at all so you have a warped corrupted view of the scriptures so your whole world view is totally messed up. I don't have the time to walk you through the ABC's of scripture and besides your not spiritually capable of receiving the truth.

    I have to run now but I will come back and explain what I'm saying later. Hang in there, I really have the most important thing in your life to share with you. I just don't have the time to say it now and I don't want to rush it, because it way to important to rush through it, cheers.
     
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    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Nothing sarcastic about it. You made a claim, when asked to defend it, you couldn't. You can threaten eternal damnation all you want, it doesn't change the fact that your claim was wrong.

    I'm ready to meet Christ. Pointing out the inaccuracies in the claims of the insufferably sanctimonious isn't high on the list of things I think he'll want to talk to me about.
     
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    Ah, I don't understand the Bible because I disagree with your interpretation of it. How convenient. Fortunately you've admitted you're no scholar

    So I'm not obligated to take your interpretation of the Bible as authoritative.


    I'll be waiting to report every single one of your attempts to convert me since that's a rule breach.
     
  17. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    Ever notice how these guys always have the war-iest looking internet tough guy avs? Then criticise Muslims for being violent?
     
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    I also acknowledged that we’ve apparently had different experiences.
     
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    Understanding the Bible correctly is a gift that God gives to His elect only, so everyone else will never understand the scriptures in their intended context.

    The Bible clearly states that people sacrifice their babies for a reason, the reason is described in the Bible is the same reason people kill their babies today. They may not admit that they are sacrificing their baby to achieve a goal, the main goal is to free themselves of the responsibility of raising a child. Satan and His Demons have deceived people into believing that the child will interfere with their ability to live a certain lifestyle.

    The powers of darkness have deceived many people into believing that life is all about fulfilling your lust for pleasure and enjoying life without any responsibility and many believe that their purpose in life is to enjoy life as much as possible so they give it the highest priority.

    There are only two types of people in the world, we have those who live to sever God and those who live to serve their sin. The highest priority for Gods people is to do Gods will at all times and to put His will above all things and make serving Him the most important priority in life. The other type of person lives to serve their own will, so they do whatever they want to do. Their highest priority is to do exactly what they want to do, the Bible describes them as "heathen" that word describes a person who lives for pleasure.

    So we only have these two types of people, those who serve God and those who serve themselves. Christians are the prisoners of Christ, we don't have a free will we can only do what Christ allows us to do. The heathen are free to do what ever they want, so they always choose to do things their own way and believe whatever they choose to believe but it's never the One true God, it's always something other than the true God who exists in three persons The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

    Satan and His Demons were cast down into the world where they have been deceiving people for the past 6000 years, their only goal is to stop you from believing the truth. Christ said "I am the truth" so as long as they can stop you from believing in Christ they will leave you alone because they know you will end up in hell with them.

    Every single person who ever lived will be raised from the grave and we will all stand before Christ on judgement day and everyone who never knew Him as their Savior will be cast into hell with Satan and His Demons to be tormented in hell forever.

    So the only reason people will go to hell is because they didn't know Jesus as their savior, the bible is very clear and that's the only reason anyone will be cast into hell. So we only have two types of people, those who belong to Christ and the rest who did their own thing.
     
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    I'm still waiting for an answer to my post 149. Since you're still following this thread pretty closely @Dragonslayer, would you please oblige?
     
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