Banned from Debates/Discussions/Chat for being Pro-Gay

[michel]

Actually Michel, there certainly is gays that don’t choose to be anything but what they are. On percentages, there are also gays that go by sexual preference alone. There are also males and females that indulge in same sex acts, on very occasional bases. I think my view generalizes variety of promiscuous lifestyles and one rule or law should apply for all. Certainly this is very brief and if you like, we can dig up medical evidence that support my view by independent psychologists. What I mean by that is, psychology done by non gays.

Just as there are, in your opinion, SOME gays who don't choose to be anything but what they are, I still stand by my conviction that for some, it is not by choice - it is something basic in them. For them not to be gay would be like telling you not to be heterosexual. You attribute promiscuity to gays in general as well; please do not tar all of one group with the same brush.

As I speak, there is still research being done to try and find out what makes people gay; until there is proof one way or the other, please stop bashinga minority group out of sheer prejudice.:banghead3

 

[CMIYC]

But Nature has never stopped homosexuality . Never . Oh , Nature stops the life , but it stops the life of us all . And as we all carry on , so does homosexuality , in many species . not just human . So how can you say that " nature stopped it " ?

Again sorry to disappoint you. There is a Yes and No to your answer. I think you are confusing love with sexuality, the intent of sexuality in animal and humans is for reproductive purpose only. But because we can retain knowledge, we humans use sex for pleasure as well. In homosexuality, product of love is only sex, with no potential to multiply. Therefore the relationship becomes invalid in survival of humanity.

Please take a good look at these sites.



http://www.answers.com/marriage&r=67

http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm

 

[CMIYC]

As I speak, there is still research being done to try and find out what makes people gay; until there is proof one way or the other, please stop bashinga minority group out of sheer prejudice.:banghead3

I decline your last remark. How does honesty make me prejudice? This is the way I feel about this issue and it goes vice-versa. I’m glad you recognize that nothing is conclusive as yet, but at the same time you have come to the conclusion that I’m in the wrong. What gives?

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

It says homosexual 'offenders'. And this is a translation. The original text did not have the word homosexual, or any other word for such an act. It was completely added by the church. Here is another translation. Instead of argueing over translations, let us get to the real message.

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Cor. 6:9 Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6:10 use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. [/font]

 

[Steve]

It say homosexual 'offenders'. And this is a translation. The original text did not have the word homosexual, or any other word for such an act. It was completely added by the church. Here is another translation. Instead of argueing over translations, let us get to the real message.

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Cor. 6:9 Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6:10 use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. [/font]

Oh thats the real message is it?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV


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Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NIV


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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB


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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV


have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 YLT


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Sodomites - where the term Sodomy comes from which is most often used for anal sex.


Throughout the bible men laying with men as they do with women is condemmed. You have to be willfully ignorant to read the bible and decide that its ok. Rather then go to the bible to see if its ok they decide it is ok then go to the bible and twist it in an effort to appease their conscience.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 1:8 - 2:4


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God sees our sin so seriously that he was tortured and Crucified for those who would truly turn back to him, he paid for our sins and it was a high price, he satisfied Justice on our behalf yet if we dont turn away from our sins we remain under his judgement.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31



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If you dont like what the bible defines as the right and wrong and what a Christian is then dont claim to be one, but at least be honest to yourself, because you could spend your whole life trying to justifing this and then stand befor God and still be condemmed because you were never willing to repent. Instead turn to him and then you can claim that "you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." You can have a new heart and new desires but only if your willing to give up the old.

 

[rainbowchristianqld]

have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 YLT



Sodomites - where the term Sodomy comes from which is most often used for anal sex.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a Woman (or a Man for that matter) - when having heterosexual sex - can be both effeminate and commit Sodomy... and A LOT of them do!
This has nothing to do with homosexuals.

(i'm Assuming that this is an older translation.. using the words Ye etc..), so it's quite obvious that the translator of the newer versions used previous thoughts of homosexuality for their translations.

1 Cor. 6:9

Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? Unjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, 6:10 use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom.

I like this version too - which translation is it from?

 

[CMIYC]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a Woman (or a Man for that matter) - when having heterosexual sex - can be both effeminate and commit Sodomy... and A LOT of them do!
This has nothing to do with homosexuals.

(i'm Assuming that this is an older translation.. using the words Ye etc..), so it's quite obvious that the translator of the newer versions used previous thoughts of homosexuality for their translations.



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I like this version too - which translation is it from?

I think you have been watching too much porn on the internet. It is generalizing the acts that are forbidden. If the act is forbidden, then how does it matter by which sex it is forbidden by. Which part of the NO! don’t you understand?

 

[rainbowchristianqld]

I think you have been watching too much porn on the internet. It is generalizing the acts that are forbidden. If the act is forbidden, then how does it matter by which sex it is forbidden by. Which part of the NO! don’t you understand?

The only point I was making is that the Translators over the years (especially the most recent translations) have manipulated them to fit their on prejudices... It's obvious that these passages (among others) have changed from their original meaning, and this is one of the passages that proves that.

 

[CMIYC]

The only point I was making is that the Translators over the years (especially the most recent translations) have manipulated them to fit their on prejudices... It's obvious that these passages (among others) have changed from their original meaning, and this is one of the passages that proves that.

I’ll disagree with you there. Does it really matter if one or two passages have been changed when the overall interpretation still hold the same value? Then again, Steve did point the same script, using several bibles. I personally think prejudice is a wrong word in this case.

 

[Mike182]

I’ll disagree with you there. Does it really matter if one or two passages have been changed when the overall interpretation still hold the same value? Then again, Steve did point the same script, using several bibles. I personally think prejudice is a wrong word in this case.

erm, yes

if one or two of the passages are changed, the meaning can be significantly altered

i would advise you to go to the "biblical debates" section, and read my posts in "scripture to condemn homosexuality" - they will explain why the romans1 verses and 1corinth6 verses are not applicable to modern-day monogomous loving homosexuals

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

Oh thats the real message is it?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NKJV


Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NIV

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Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 NASB

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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV

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have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 YLT



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Sodomites - where the term Sodomy comes from which is most often used for anal sex.


Throughout the bible men laying with men as they do with women is condemmed. You have to be willfully ignorant to read the bible and decide that its ok. Rather then go to the bible to see if its ok they decide it is ok then go to the bible and twist it in an effort to appease their conscience.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.


My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 1:8 - 2:4



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God sees our sin so seriously that he was tortured and Crucified for those who would truly turn back to him, he paid for our sins and it was a high price, he satisfied Justice on our behalf yet if we dont turn away from our sins we remain under his judgement.

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:26-31


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If you dont like what the bible defines as the right and wrong and what a Christian is then dont claim to be one, but at least be honest to yourself, because you could spend your whole life trying to justifing this and then stand befor God and still be condemmed because you were never willing to repent. Instead turn to him and then you can claim that "you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." You can have a new heart and new desires but only if your willing to give up the old.

All of these translations came from Hebrew. And the word homosexual was added to the Christian bible, not translated from a Hebrew word. Sodomy is the definition of sexual abuse, not sexual practice. God speaks against hurting others, God does NOT speak against loving others. God is love. And if a man can only experience the love of God through another man, or a woman experiences God's love through another woman, who are you to deny them access to love? Who are you to say that love in any pure form could be evil? You say you are a Christian, well act like one. Jesus was very specific in claiming that we should judge no one, because by our own mouths we will be judged.

 

[kreeden]

Again sorry to disappoint you. There is a Yes and No to your answer. I think you are confusing love with sexuality, the intent of sexuality in animal and humans is for reproductive purpose only. But because we can retain knowledge, we humans use sex for pleasure as well. In homosexuality, product of love is only sex, with no potential to multiply. Therefore the relationship becomes invalid in survival of humanity.

Please take a good look at these sites.



http://www.answers.com/marriage&r=67

[url="http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm"]http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/homosexual.htm[/url]

No , you are not disappointing me in any way . You are confusing me a bit though . I said

But Nature has never stopped homosexuality . Never . Oh , Nature stops the life , but it stops the life of us all . And as we all carry on , so does homosexuality , in many species . not just human . So how can you say that " nature stopped it " ?

And you reply with a defination of marriage ????

The survival of the species , any species , carries on as along as enough of that species reproduce . That doesn't mean that every one of the species gas too . In fact , in the cast many species the world could never support them if they all reproduced . Insects , fish , birds ... that my friend is Nature . Not some man made concept of what nature should be .

The fact remains that homosexuality has been around for countless generations , in many different species . And every one of those species are still here . So Nature does not kill off homosexuality . Never has , and is inlikely to change in the near future .

 

[michel]

I decline your last remark. How does honesty make me prejudice? This is the way I feel about this issue and it goes vice-versa. I’m glad you recognize that nothing is conclusive as yet, but at the same time you have come to the conclusion that I’m in the wrong. What gives?

I don't question your honesty, I question your acceptance of something you don't understand, and because you don't understand it, you stand in judgement.

Neither are you wrong; there are no right and wrongs, but you are setting boundries which ultimately means a life devoid of love for a section of society - you deny people Love.

 

[Mike182]

I think you have been watching too much porn on the internet. It is generalizing the acts that are forbidden. If the act is forbidden, then how does it matter by which sex it is forbidden by. Which part of the NO! don’t you understand?

i think youve been watching a bit too much "Will and Grace" - not all gay men are like that at all - you seem to have a blunt view of gays CMIYC, and a blunt view on quite a large section of society is not healthy for anyone

 

[CMIYC]

I don't question your honesty, I question your acceptance of something you don't understand, and because you don't understand it, you stand in judgement.

Neither are you wrong; there are no right and wrongs, but you are setting boundries which ultimately means a life devoid of love for a section of society - you deny people Love.

You know Michel it seems so, but I know my heart is in the right place when opposing homosexuality. To stand in judgment without a case is wrong but to stand in judgment with a case is definitely right.