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Baldy and the Bears. Bears in Israel?

sooda

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Baldy and the Bears
—2nd Kings 2

In second Kings, the second chapter, you can read the story of Elisha and some youths who mocked him. It's one of the Bible's strange stories —but instructive. But let's begin by looking at the background to the story...

1 Elisha Takes Up Elijah’s Mantle
This chapter tells of Elijah being taken up into heaven. His mantle (and his work) was taken over by his disciple Elisha (1Kings 19:16,19, 2Kings 2:11-14). It was said, "The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha." (2Kings 2:15).

Now centuries later, the same power was attributed to John the Baptizer, the herald of Jesus Christ (Malachi 4:5, Luke 1:17). In the acts of Elisha therefore, we may expect to see some symbolic foreshadowing of the kingdom which John announced and Jesus instituted.

Elisha was a prophet not only in what he said, but he was also a "type", and as such was prophetic in what he did.

Elisha’s First Miracle
Jericho was a pleasant city except for pollution of its water and soil. Elisha's first public miracle was to heal the water and soil of Jericho. (2Kings 2:19-22).

Does this not symbolise the healing through Jesus of that spiritual pollution which we call sin, and which spoils this otherwise pleasant creation (Romans 5:18, Romans 8:21)?

The people of Jericho probably did not have insight into the symbolic nature of Elisha's miracle. However they would surely see the power and grace of Elisha's God, wouldn't they? Well, some of them didn't...

3 Youths Taunt Elisha
After Elisha had done this miracle, he went up to Bethel. As he left Jericho, and he set out along the road, a gang of youths followed him from the city, and they began to ridicule him (2Kings 2:23).

What they said translates as, "Go up baldhead!" In today's parlance it would be something like, "Move it baldy!" They kept following Elisha and mocking him.

Dwell for a while on the callousness of these youths. Elisha had lost the master he loved as his own father. Elisha was presently "a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief" (2Kings 2:12 Isaiah 53:1-4).

Moreover, Elisha had given Jericho, the city of these youths, a pure water supply, a great blessing for their future. Yet all they could do was mock him, just as Christ was mocked though he had done so much good (Psalms 22:6-7, Matthew 27:39,41). We ought to be shocked at the behaviour of these youths who abused their benefactor.

4 Elisha’s Response
How might we expect Elisha to react to this unjust treatment? Will he ignore these youths, perhaps attempt to escape them? Or will he turn and speak to them? If he speaks to them, will he plead with them earnestly, and try to help them overcome their stupidity? Or will he scald, condemn, and punish them? What is the best and fairest way for him to react?

Elisha turned, looked at them, and cursed them. Two female bears then came out of the woods and mauled forty two of the youths. Elisha, hardly out of stride, continued going his way, leaving the youths to help each other home as best they could (2Kings 2:24-25).

What do you think of Elisha's action, especially in view of what we said before, that his acts are “typical” of the Messiah's coming kingdom? There can be no argument that what Elisha did, indeed what the Lord did by him, was righteous and just. These thankless youths needed to be woken up and taught a lesson, didn't they? However, what Elisha did was hardly Christian, was it?

5 Comparing Elisha and Jesus
Elisha was a good man, but Jesus a better man by far. Elisha was badly treated by those youths, but Jesus endured mistreatment ten thousand times worse. Yet, when Jesus was reviled, he did not revile in return (1Peter 2:23-24).

Shall we say then, that Elisha was wrong and Jesus was right? Or shall we say Elisha did right but could have done better, as Jesus did?

At present we are thinking of Christian ethics, in particular how we should not abuse, mistreat, and victimise others, and how we should not return evil for evil when we are victims of abuse and injustice.

Underlying that, of course, we are thinking also of the cruel injustice Jesus suffered and endured, thereby healing our polluted souls, that we might have a better City in which to dwell. Now, is that the end of this matter? Or is there something else, a further principle that makes Elisha's act directly characteristic of Jesus?

So far in our thinking, Elisha’s treatment of those youths seems to be in opposition to the way Jesus acted. Looking at Elisha's action through Christian ethics and through the cross of Christ, we may find it hard to approve of what Elisha did. But we have thought only of Jesus's first coming when he was offered to bear our sins.

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Baldy and the Bears (Elisha)
 
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I'm with Karl Popper.

If people can run about willy-nilly preaching intolerance of baldies then the next step is totalitarianism.

As such, to protect the open society, you need to ensure that these hooligans are always eaten by bears. I'd call them freedom bears and make them little costumes to differentiate them from Russian bears who are probably still commies.

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sooda

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I'm with Karl Popper.

If people can run about willy-nilly preaching intolerance of baldies then the next step is totalitarianism.

As such, to protect the open society, you need to ensure that such hooligans are always eaten by bears. I'd call them freedom bears and make them little costumes to differentiate them from Russian bears who are probably still commies.

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Asian Black Bears only feed on fruits, grasses, and insects, and could have never been a threat to Elisha or Mouthy children or David's sheep.

And these bears are only found in China, Bangladesh, and Russia, and they are the size of Pandas.

So where did the story come from.. There were no bears in Israel or Syria.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Asian Black Bears only feed on fruits, grasses, and insects, and could have never been a threat to Elisha or Mouthy children or David's sheep.

And these bears are only found in China, Bangladesh, and Russia, and they are the size of Pandas.

So where did the story come from.. There were no bears in Israel or Syria.

We invite you to do some fact checking and
retract your statement here.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Who is we?

Where is your retraction of error?

By your use of the singular "is" instead of the
plural "are" you betray that you knew it referred
only to myself, wherein we use the royal "we'.

Now, we is looking to see you improve your
zoogeogrpahy,
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Asian Black Bears only feed on fruits, grasses, and insects, and could have never been a threat to Elisha or Mouthy children or David's sheep.

And these bears are only found in China, Bangladesh, and Russia, and they are the size of Pandas.

So where did the story come from.. There were no bears in Israel or Syria.
There are no bears in that area today. But the habitat of many animals has been reduced. It was probably a variety of Brown Bear. They are widespread across northwestern North America much of Asia and Europe:

Brown bear - Wikipedia
 

sooda

Veteran Member
There are no bears in that area today. But the habitat of many animals has been reduced. It was probably a variety of Brown Bear. They are widespread across northwestern North America much of Asia and Europe:

Brown bear - Wikipedia

Well, I know very little about bears.. I thought that Asian black bears mostly ate berries, bugs and vegetation as well as carrion.

Do you think the story is plausible? I mean that 2 bears suddenly showed and mauled or ate 42 young people?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Do what? The story is idiotic on its face.

Uh, like, look it up, figure out your mistake
on your own,after I said you were wrong?

So soon you forget.

Quoth Scoda
So where did the story come from.. There were no bears in Israel or Syria.

And quoth I-
We invite you to do some fact checking and
retract your statement here.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well, I know very little about bears.. I thought that Asian black bears mostly ate berries, bugs and vegetation as well as carrion.

Do you think the story is plausible? I mean that 2 bears suddenly showed and mauled or ate 42 young people?

What in all of the NT or OT is?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Uh, like, look it up, figure out your mistake
on your own,after I said you were wrong?

So soon you forget.

Quoth Scoda
So where did the story come from.. There were no bears in Israel or Syria.

And quoth I-
We invite you to do some fact checking and
retract your statement here.

Bears like forests.. No forests in Syria or Israel.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Basic Facts About Black Bears | Defenders of Wildlife
defenders.org/black-bear/basic-facts
Black bears are extremely adaptable and show a great variation in habitat types, though they are primarily found in forested areas with thick ground vegetation and an abundance of fruits, nuts, and vegetation. In the northern areas, they can be found in the tundra, and they will sometimes forage in fields or meadows.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Bears like forests.. No forests in Syria or Israel.

Why are you trying to get out of just saying like
oops, I was wrong?

You are just making things up again, making
it worse. There is forest in Syria,
and while deforestation has changed the middle east
a lot, the story is not about today. The entire area
including Israel was much more extensively forested
than today.

AND, while it is true that bears **** in the forest, it
is not true that they are restricted to forest habitat
if that is what you mean by saying they "like" forest.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Basic Facts About Black Bears | Defenders of Wildlife
defenders.org/black-bear/basic-facts
Black bears are extremely adaptable and show a great variation in habitat types, though they are primarily found in forested areas with thick ground vegetation and an abundance of fruits, nuts, and vegetation. In the northern areas, they can be found in the tundra, and they will sometimes forage in fields or meadows.

Terrif, but the bears in question are a different genus
on a different continent.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Why are you trying to get out of just saying like
oops, I was wrong?

You are just making things up again, making
it worse., wrong on both counts. There is forest in Syria,
and while deforestation has changed the middle east
a lot, the story is not about today. The entire area
including Israel was much more extensively forested
than today.

AND, while it is true that bears **** in the forest, it
is not true that they are restricted to forest habitat.

Not much.. Syrian forests account for less than 2% of the land.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Terrif, but the bears in question are a different genus
on a different continent.

  1. Mystery of Brown Bears in Syria | IUCN
    www.iucn.org/content/mystery-brown-bears-syria
    A notable example is Iraq. The Bear Specialist Group (SG) was unaware of bears in Iraq until 2006, when a US military pilot observed what he believed to be a wild Syrian Bear through an infrared sensor. He did a Google search for bear experts in the Middle East, found the Bear SG, and reported his sighting.

  2. The reappearance of the Syrian Brown Bear in Lebanon ...
    www.spnl.org/the-reappearance-of-the-syrian...
    The Syrian brown bear (Ursus arctos syriacus) is the smallest subspecies of brown bears from the Ursidae family. It is native to the Middle East and the Caucasus and it is the only species of bears to have occurred in Lebanon. It has a stocky round build with long grey-brown fur. It has an average size of 1.40m and an average weight of 150 kg.
 
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