Bahiya Sutta

[atanu]

You did not comment on the moon-puddle metaphor. Okay.

Regarding absence of sun moon etc., please permit me the following from an upanishad:

10
The sun does not shine there, nor the moon and the stars, nor these lightnings, not to speak of this fire. When It shines, everything shines after It; by Its light everything is lighted.

(Some translations use 'he' instead of 'it')

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You did not comment on the moon-puddle metaphor. Okay.
Regarding absence of sun moon etc., please permit me the following from an upanishad:
10The sun does not shine there, nor the moon and the stars, nor these lightnings, not to speak of this fire. When It shines, everything shines after It; by Its light everything is lighted.

Sorry, but I'm not following you - how does this connect to the Bahiya Sutta?

The verse from the end of the Bahiya Sutta that you quoted is interesting, there's a discussion of it from page 59 of Nanananda's "Concept and Reality":
http://www.seeingthroughthenet.net/files/eng/books/other/concept_and_reality.pdf
To me the passage looks reminiscent of the Heart Sutra, though that's probably another discussion.

 

[atanu]

Sorry, but I'm not following you - how does this connect to the Bahiya Sutta?

Which is not connecting to Bahiya? The moon-puddle metaphor?

The verse from the end of the Bahiya Sutta that you quoted is interesting, ........

The verses cited from the end of Bahiya and from Mundka Upanishad convey the same teaching. And similar to the Heart Sutra too.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The verses cited from the end of Bahiya and from Mundka Upanishad convey the same teaching. And similar to the Heart Sutra too.

And what do you think that meaning is?

I've been trying to work out how the second passage relates to the first one, but I'm struggling!

 

[atanu]

And what do you think that meaning is?

The point where subject and object no longer exist.

I've been trying to work out how the second passage relates to the first one, but I'm struggling!

Probably different people get different meaning. But to me, the first leads to the second. Perceived things, including perceived 'you' are not you, just as moon is not same as its reflections in puddles. Yet there is a real you just as there is a real moon very distinct from the reflections. The real you is primeval --

YMMV.

 

[HarihOm]

Namaste Rick,

Did you crack the code yet, do you think it can be understood intellectually.