Homosexuality is not something that can be spread, you make it sound like it’s contagious.
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Baha'i and Science
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PoetPhilosopher
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Which writings? The statements of Shoghi, who wasn't infallible when it came to actual scientific statements?
Some of our greatest challenges and ills in this life may be ones that we do not see, they could be of soul and mind.
Regards Tony
paarsurrey
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Even Bahaullah was not infallible. I pointed out many such things in the thread "infallibility" started by our friend @Vinayaka .
Let me find its link, please.
Yes, it is here:
Infallibility
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Gay conversion therapy is being made illegal in many countries now, thank goodness.
Trying to overcome it with medical assistance is illegal in a lot of places, considered a form of torture. So if a Baha'i was faced with the dilemma of following the laws of the country (as instructed by your leaders) or to use medical intervention on gays, which would take precedence?
PoetPhilosopher
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This is actually a great question, to me.
Well, that's bunk. Baha'i doesn't follow science on the matter then. No reputable medical practitioner will help you "overcome" homosexuality because it's not a problem to be overcome and you can't change your sexuality in the first place. That's just psychological torture and should be illegal.
PoetPhilosopher
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Agreed.
As for me, I wonder why the modern Baha'i faith thinks it can be a universal religion while still having such ideas.
What I agree with, is the books about Bahaullah.
Oh there are lots of great questions concerning the Baha'i faith. Another one is if there is so much emphasis put on gender equality, why can't women serve on the UHJ? The common 'answer' to such questions is 'the reason will be clear in the future' which of course isn't an answer but a deflection.
This is what I’m meaning.
A number of sexual problems such as homosexuality and transsexuality can well have medical aspects, and in such cases recourse should certainly be had to the best medical assistance. But it is clear from the teaching of Bahá'u'lláh that homosexuality is not a condition to which a person should be reconciled, but is a distortion of his or her nature which should be controlled and overcome. This may require a hard struggle, but so also can be the struggle of a heterosexual person to control his or her desires. The exercise of self-control in this, as in so very many other aspects of life, has a beneficial effect on the progress of the soul. It should, moreover, be borne in mind that although to be married is highly desirable, and Bahá'u'lláh has strongly recommended it, it is not the central purpose of life. If a person has to wait a considerable period before finding a spouse, or if ultimately, he or she must remain single, it does not mean that he or she is thereby unable to fulfil his or her life's purpose."
(From a letter of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer, January 12, 1973: cited in Messages from The Universal House of Justice, 1968-1973, p. 110-111)
PoetPhilosopher
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Please link to the writings expressing this.
It is forbidden you to wed your fathers' wives. We shrink, for very shame, from treating of the subject of boys. Fear ye the Merciful, O peoples of the world! Commit not that which is forbidden you in Our Holy Tablet, and be not of those who rove distractedly in the wilderness of their desires. (Aqdas, paragraph 107)
Everyone’s free to their point of view. I fully agree with what the Manifestation of God says on the subject.
PoetPhilosopher
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How do we know it was talking about homosexuality?
PoetPhilosopher
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Thus interpreted through Shoghi.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
You really should just quit before you completely fall off the cliff....
These are really disgusting views and 'bring to light ' the actual truth of your religion towards other humans.
PoetPhilosopher
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Somewhat, this. I still really respect them, but I'm trying to follow all the facts through to conclusion, whether Bahaullah was actually the way the Baha'i faith is today.
Becoming a Baha’i is voluntary so if one prefers that sexual orientation then there’s no point in joining a religion which forbids it.
Because of the Covenant of Baha’u’llah. The Will of Baha’u’llah authorised Abdu’l-Baha to be His Interpreter and Abdu’l-Baha in His Will authorized Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice. And the Guardian stated that is what Baha’u’llah meant.
Here is an excerpt regarding the authority of both the Guardian Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice..
The sacred and youthful branch, the Guardian of the Cause of God, as well as the Universal House of Justice, to be universally elected and established, are both under the care and protection of the Abhá Beauty, under the shelter and unerring guidance of the Exalted One (may my life be offered up for them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God. Whoso obeyeth him not, neither obeyeth them, hath not obeyed God; whoso rebelleth against him and against them hath rebelled against God; whoso opposeth him hath opposed God; whoso contendeth with them hath contended with God; whoso disputeth with him hath disputed with God; whoso denieth him hath denied God; whoso disbelieveth in him hath disbelieved in God; whoso deviateth, separateth himself and turneth aside from him hath in truth deviated, separated himself and turned aside from God.
(Will and Testament of Abdu’l-Baha)