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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Policy, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Brian2

    Brian2 Well-Known Member
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    Yes it can get like that at times when our words go seemingly unheard and unheeded.
    You should come back to believing what the Bible says and not what Baha'i says it means, especially when what it says it means contradicts what it says.

    It is not the Christian religion that is complete, it is Jesus who is complete and in Him we have all we need (Colossians 2) Baha'u'llah adds nothing.

    Certainly there are heavy things coming on the world before Jesus returns according to the Bible. Things that did not happen before 1844.
     
  2. CG Didymus

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    Baha'i push them back to happening after Baha'u'llah has come and gone. Now they say the world will go into all sorts of trials and tribulations, because the world rejected him. In Revelation there seems to be a continual build up to the climatic event and then Jesus comes.
     
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    What I don't understand is how the abolishing of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination is ignored by William Miller and the Baha'is. Instead, they start the 2300 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Which sounds like they take it as solar years. But then Baha'is make the 1260 into lunar years. And start them all with the Hegira in 621AD.

    But then with the 1290 lunar years they start 10 lunar years before the Hegira. Then with 1335 they go back to solar years and who knows where they start it. Here's the quote from Daniel...

    Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.​
    I see no reason to start it with the declaration of Muhammad. Yet they do and they stand by that interpretation.
     
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    Yes in the Bible the coming of Jesus seems to be the culmination after tribulations etc.
    So Baha'i end up being wrong but right at the same time.
    The tribulation is still to come but when it does many will see it as Baha'i being right.
    I'm amazed at the tricks Satan uses to deceive people.

    It is interesting that in the Bible the tribulation is because of the evil deeds of humanity and in Baha'i the tribulation is because of people rejecting Baha'u'llah.
     
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    William Miller of course does not start with the Hegira and does not even use the 1260 as far as I know.
    William Miller (preacher) - Wikipedia
    Baha'i see all the 1260 days prophecies in the Bible and the 3.5 year prophecies as the same time period and as far as I can see they just ignore the Biblical context of the prophecies and what is to happen before and after the 1260 days and of course I guess if Baha'is ever get to study those things, they are so far gone on the acceptance of Baha'u'llah as the return of Jesus and (if they were Christians) have rejected and ignored so much more of the Bible to get to that point, that they just accept what Baha'i tells them and ignoring more of the Bible means nothing to them.
    I imagine the Baha'is need the number 1260 because it fits with a time frame that starts and ends with dates they can use.
    Baha'is have to reject what most scriptures say, not just the Bible, to get to something that sort of fits with what they want to be true and which can suck the most people from a variety of different faiths.
    As I say, imo it is just another deception of Satan and it, along with Islam, say that Jesus is OK by them and sent by God etc, but the reality is that they reject the gospel because of the teachings of Baha'i.
     
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    I've spelled it out to Baha'is several times. How can they say the trampling of Jerusalem ended in 1844 and that it started in 621AD? What did the Hegira have to do with the trampling? Muhammad and Ali are made the Two Witnesses. Symbolically I guess they can say they prophesied from 621AD to 1844. But then they have to be dead for the same period of time. Then the women giving birth is mentioned twice. She flees to the wilderness from 621AD to 1844? Then the beast has power and authority for the same period, 621AD to 1844. Here's the reference again to Abdul Baha's interpretation if you care to look it over.
     
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