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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Policy, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Renki

    Renki lover of wisdom
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    My nitpick stemmed from the fact that you got the belief that you were criticizing wrong…fundamentally, and I actually did respond to the OP. You’d know this had you read one of my earliest replies on the thread.
     
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    You can watch dragon boat races on youtube
     
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  3. Policy

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    Since you do not know the number, you have no idea if I got it wrong, or not.

    Sorry, I miss some posts. It happens.
     
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    That's true, and Baha'u'llah said that we should be very skeptical.
     
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    Like my experience the Baha'i faith is based on a first loving individual who was spiritual and psychic. By choice a human family member.

    Read Jesus to know Jesus.

    How do you know advice is real? Being psychic. Being a human.

    Position human. I am correct my experience proves it.

    Scientist....don't tell me I am wrong. Proven. As he says we are by his own personal experience science. Not spiritual. Just his type of groups belief.

    Advice says.... he won't listen he is our destroyer. He thinks he knows it all.

    Advice. Two parents lived first when first science attacked first life.

    Most of us today not in that advice as we began as ovaries sperm not a human nor consciousness. Advice theist you are wrong. It isn't our personal human experience.

    As adults.

    Scientist today trying to force it on us by his machine experiments.

    Heated fallout attacked was then cooled. Cannot be the same incident. Fake theorising proven. They try to recause it again.

    Advice today we are not the Adam eve incident.

    Theist says I want to recause it by theorising all advice by machine science knowing he did it....data inferred again.

    Hot burning fallout gaaes. Spirit is not B read.....bread. What arose in baking of earths stone. Theism reviewed read by data status. Stephen Haw king I know advice as I experienced it.

    Then he says knowing his science self I know I don't have active first science.

    Yet he is doing dust converting proving his thesis you began with dusts present is fake. As we are dying sacrificed. As he is destroying holy dust but as yet has not caused the end.

    He taught you began from dusts end as dusts. He is nuclear converting dusts owning the know I will end your life by intent.

    Reasoning. He reasons the whole story as data. Bible.

    He reads a whole data based idea. I want to copy it as a new machines scientific thesis to cause the part destructive ends not yet active.

    As I used the data.

    Knowing it's not the data as a machine built is his science first. Non active.

    As power plant is a known dust science model in machine history. His thesis I began as a living life converting dusts. Science looking back at science only a human practice.

    Not Adam eve either. Holy dusts.

    The destroyer scientist who says the eternal God isn't real as I name it infinity as a non stop burning resource.

    The thesis exists in total human advice what I want as the end result. Burning of the resource to get gods power. The part he doesn't confess in public.

    Which is already spatial active. Occurring in light as constant energy burning in the infinite space body. Advised totally. Eternal flame. Not our God life.

    As to know consciousnesss says I am advised to know.... it has to pre exist to inform.

    Father as God holy spiritual men's life my brother's advice sacrificed life aware life....tells me. Returning oxygenated water in heavens is heightening his spirituality as a man to advise against his destroyer brother is real.

    Father is deceased. First man non sexual first then he had sex. Humans own memories we reference. Theists say I think Jesus had a family. Sacrificed heavenly life of holy man hu man.

    Reason we question today Jesus as our own holy healthy healed returned memories disappearing in healthy life.

    Our human prophetic returns. Only living by sex to advise why life is being destroyed again. Advice allows us to know. So we are not wrong. We are experiencing the terms of life in sacrifice.

    As new humans.

    As first humans got sacrificed were holy life.
    As humans again we're sacrificed by Roman controlled science returned usage.

    Returning star fall sacrificed life again. All messages about science human conferred is not lying.

    We knew by self in the experience.

    Then father is supported to exist in his only form a deceased loving father spiritual who uses his heavens man humans records by his eternal will to assist whoever he chooses as his sons or daughters. His choice is not by my scientists brothers will or machines.

    The eternal father who proved he is real. And brother in your AI belief I am not a b it ch. Thanks for allowing me to know you scientist mind.
     
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    Reviewed advice father died because of fallout radiation gases. Reason we die. As it was activated by science a long time ago.

    Eternal flame took our bio water how father got Sacrificed bodily his water mass taken. Memory caused.

    Eternal flame never owned life's water first we did. So his idea he has the eternal flame is fake. As the heavens body does. It's gases get burnt. We aren't the gas liar.

    Fact. We live only. We know we die naturally. Science gave us second death sacrificed life. Our consciousness is life alive is never death.

    Why we don't accept scientific known sacrificed life preaching owning our second death term. He is lying not us.
     
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    I do, actually. Your post states that, according to Bahá’ís, God only gave us a few Teachers. Again, this is not true. It directly contradicts what we ourselves teach.

    And no worries. All is forgiven.
     
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    [hears crickets chirming]

    Cool.. I'm not repentant.
     
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    I got it about seven years ago when I first started posting to atheists on forums. ;)
    I know, and my approach is different form most believers. I try to use logic and reason rather than faith-based beliefs. For example, if God existed, where would we get the evidence? How would we get it?

    Atheists: What would be evidence of God’s existence?
    Because they aren't there, but that does not mean that God is not there.

    In other words, just because I cannot see any pink unicorns that does not mean there are no pink unicorns. Nobody can prove there are no pink unicorns, not anymore than anyone can prove there is no God. So to assert that God does not exist because we have not seen God or recognized the evidence for God is a non sequitur.

    A non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an invalid argument.[1] In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false (because there is a disconnect between the premises and the conclusion), but the argument nonetheless asserts the conclusion to be true and is thus fallacious. Formal fallacy - Wikipedia
     
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    A human said as a human I teach.

    To get to know about father as a baby grown to an adult man.. non sexual adult first.

    Is to be life sacrificed.

    Then you get taught about father in the heavens.

    Tells you so.

    When you get life sacrificed.

    I began my natural learning as a baby sacrificed I nearly died. I became psychic. So I learnt about father taught naturally and spiritually.

    My teacher. We are all since just human babies ourselves.

    Father as just a human with mother was our teacher. Together we get two types of teaching. As humans always taught.

    So if you put yourself in your owned correct position we are not teachers we only get taught

    Don't self idolise. Love doesn't.
     
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    Well the report says:

    • Atheists, agnostics and other people who do not affiliate with any religion – though increasing in countries such as the United States and France – will make up a declining share of the world’s total population.

    So it says this category will be a declining SHARE which suggests that population growth in religious countries will increase along with indoctrinated children. Atheists tend to be in more educated nations where there are fewer offspring. So there may be a proportional increase in atheists but are simply outbred by religious people.

    This is a similar issue with brown people in the USA having more children than white people, and conservative whites feeling threatened by the racial makeup changing.
     
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    Since it is theists who insist their gods exist, it's on them to demonstrate how they came to a rational conclusion their gods exists. Of course theists don't come to belief in god through reason, so theists fail. This is a problem for theists. Atheists are just asking questions and remain unconvinced minced by the social pressure to believe.

    Sure, But theists don't know any more than atheists if their gods exist.

    But unless you are a 9 year old girl you aren't going to build your whole life and its meaning around pink unicorns. If you are 9, well you will outgrow it because the unicorns aren't known to exist.

    It depends on the context of the discussion. If Jim gives us details about his god to a degree that we can test whether his god exists, and we find his claims fail to meet scrutiny, then we CAN say Jim's god doesn't exist. Theists today have learned to be as vague as possible about what they think their god is because they know they can be asked questions and the details treated against reality.
     
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    That's what's needed, and I think it should be extended to Atheists also. If science and religion should agree, then Baha'is and Atheists aren't that far apart.
     
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    That's one difficulty I have with the Baha'i Faith... They say they "believe" the Bible and that Abraham was a manifestation, but they don't necessarily believe the Bible stories about Abraham. And carries all the way into the NT with the resurrection of Jesus.

    And in case you didn't know Baha'u'llah says that it was Ismael, not Isaac, that Abraham took to be sacrificed. So, the Bible story is wrong. But really, is it even real historically? If it's myth, why does it matter if a fictional story got changed? And if true, why would Abraham listen to a voice that told him to go kill his son, either son?

    The other thing that bothers me is that I'm fine with the stories being myth. The characters can be myth and legend to. That's fine with me. If the stories are literally true, which I doubt, that's fine. But Baha'is say the stories are true, just not "literally" true, but "symbolically" true. What does that even mean? It still means they are fictional. And on top of that, the characters, like Abraham, are literally true. Too much finagling for me.
     
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    From your understanding, what is the definitive list of manifestations during the last cycle, which, as I understand it, Baha'is call the "Adamic" cycle. Right off, I question why Krishna, and not any of the several other avatars in Hinduism, was chosen to represent all of Hinduism.
     
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    Baha'is and atheists are worlds apart because faith and reason are worlds apart.
     
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    That is not what the Baha'i Writings offer on this topic CG it does not say the Bible is wrong.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Faith and Reason are as solid as Science and Reason.

    Faith is a reasoned approach to knowing God. The opposite of that, is the lack of belief in God.

    Regards Tony
     
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    What reason do you have to conclude that there is no God, in face of the overwhelming evidence?
    I do not see that as reasonable.
     
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    There are no facts as concerning Gods which is why there are no ways of knowing about Gods, God is a faith belief, and no one is obliged to believe anything on faith.
     
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