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Featured Baha'i and Messengers

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Policy, Jan 12, 2022 at 9:47 PM.

  1. Policy

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    According to the Baha'i their god has made a few messengers. But only a few. At least in comparison to the billions of people who have lived.

    Is the Baha'i god incapable of making everyone a messenger? Or simply unwilling?
     
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    What would be the message that need be conveyed? To everyone?
     
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    And according to several Baha'i folks there is no way to test whether a person who claims to be a Messenger is authentic. That's a serious flaw.
     
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    All they can manage to do is believe, regardless.
     
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    Whatever he want to convey and have accepted by people who are not just willing to accept a human being at his word. I have no reason to think that Baháʼu'lláh 'claims have any connection to reality.
     
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  6. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    Not every human has opened their heart enough to gain the wisdom to understand message from God or messengers, it is nothing wrong with Baha'i practitioners or the God they believe in. They have a different teaching in some aspects.
     
    #6 Seeker of White Light, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:04 PM
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    If your god is omnipotent, then he can just show up and say hello. That would at the very least demonstrate that there is a being that could potentially been the being you describe as god. Right now, that just isnt there.
     
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    So, subvert free-will?
     
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    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    Well, it does not work like that, as a human being we have a vail in us called ego, until our ego slipp away communication with God is more or less impossible.
    God could "stand" next to you and you would not see God, due to ego. So it is actually up to us humans to do the job.
     
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    I don't see any reason to believe that there is a free will. At least not the libertarian Free Will that you probably believe.

    But let's say that I did. Again, omnipotence. And being could interact with us without subverting free will. If God is omnipotent, you can't limit him.
     
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    if your God is omnipotent then he could make himself seen and he could interact.
     
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    If it's not one excuse it's another.
     
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    Except some are hypocritical and not savvy enough thinkers to be aware of it or be self-aware of their own thought processes. Some seem to be seeking a special place in the world by passing on the messages, but they aren't doing a good job of it. This leads us to be skeptical.

    And there is a serious honesty problem with theists who try to connect heart, and wisdom, and understanding, to a belief in some God. To my mind this is a sort of greed driven by the ego, and a serious failure of spiritual seeking.
     
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    Ironically it is only theists brash and arrogant enough to declare that a God exists and that atheists are wrong. Who has the ego problem?
     
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    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    It is not how it works. If God suddenly stood in front of me i would know, and that is not how it works.
    If I at the level of wisdom i have saw God i would not be able to see the full truth, only up to my understanding.

    One has to reach each level of understanding before the true "image" is revieled

    There are rules in communication from God to humans. God knows that
     
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    I don't particularly believe in an omnipotent God.

    Or Free will in the way you are thinking. Check my custom title.
     
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    Well, we have at least one atheist, who claims other people are wrong.
     
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    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

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    That is your understanding:)
     
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    Maybe you can open yourself to learn.
     
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    What is reality? If their claims are not happening in reality, then where are they happening? In non-realty? And how come you are in reality and know of their claims, if the claims don't any connection to reality?
     
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