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Bad News for Uber: Good News for Their Drivers

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by exchemist, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. Watchmen

    Watchmen Well-Known Member
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    You don’t think civil courts are a part of government? You think this is only a UK issue? Are you unaware of what other countries AND their governments are doing?
     
  2. Watchmen

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    Very short sighted. These laws impact barbers, stylists, tech employees, and may others who avail do prefer to be independent.
     
  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    An interesting snippet on the news from the ruling...

    The court considered several elements in its judgement:

    • Uber set the fare which meant that they dictated how much drivers could earn
    • Uber set the contract terms and drivers had no say in them
    • Request for rides is constrained by Uber who can penalise drivers if they reject too many rides
    • Uber monitors a driver's service through the star rating and has the capacity to terminate the relationship if after repeated warnings this does not improve

    A real contractor would not have these type of issues.

    I hope this translates to other gig jobs including the one I'm signed on with.
     
  4. exchemist

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    You seem to have misunderstood. No law has been passed here. This is a court judgement, relating to the contract between Über and its drivers.

    There is no reason why it would prevent other contracts, in other businesses, from classing themselves as self-employed, provided they are appropriately drawn up. However, if these contracts were to be as restricting and proscriptive as the Über one, then they would be open to a court challenge to reclass the workers as employees.

    So it is now up to business owners: either make their workers employees, or make sure the contracts give the workers enough autonomy and flexibility that they can really be said to be self-employed.
     
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  5. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    In the UK the judges and courts are independent they are not dependent on political patronage. they have no party affiliations, nor can they. The supreme court adjudicates on both civil and criminal law.
     
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  6. exchemist

    exchemist Veteran Member

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    What other countries may be doing has not, up to now, been the subject of this thread. It has been about a landmark court judgement in the UK.

    You are welcome to expand the subject, if you like, by telling us what you say these other countries are doing - if you provide appropriate links to support your contention.
     
  7. Kooky

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    Are these barbers you mention dependent on a specific online platform that acts as a middleman for their business?
     
  8. Watchmen

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    No
     
  9. Kooky

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    Do they rent their tools from a large corporation, the same corporation that is responsible for attracting their customers?
     
  10. Watchmen

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    No
     
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    Then in what capacity is their situation equivalent to Uber drivers?
     
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  12. Meerkat

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    Good news, though there are still far too many people in insecure employment. Zero-hours contracts, forced self-emploment, etc. All these people have bills to pay, and many have families to support. They need a secure income, and reasonable employment conditions.
     
  13. Kooky

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    Yea, Uber drivers are far from the only "independent contractors" suffering from these miserable conditions. Delivery services are another industry where people are being frequently worked to the bone for a pittance.
     
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  14. Watchmen

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    There are barbers and Uber drivers who would both like to be independent contractors, but the government interferes with that desire.
     
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    Nothing is stopping Uber from turning its sham contracts into a genuine relationship of mutual independence. But if they're signing contracts with independent entrepreneurs, the law ought to make sure that they are actual independent contracts, instead of employment contracts disguised by legalese for the benefit of one party.
     
  16. Watchmen

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    The law already had standards for determining whether someone was an independent contractor. Big government in California decided to throw out that test and make it nearly impossible to qualify as an IC.
     
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