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Bad News for Johnson & Johnson (and the World)

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Left Coast, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Left Coast

    Left Coast Happy Spring!
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    Good news for Pfizer.
     
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  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    This was known for awhile now. I wonder why it took so long to react?

    My guess is profit.
     
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    Important to keep this in perspective. The risk from the AstraZeneca vaccine is very small, far less than the the risk of dying from Covid, unless you are young. Since the J & J vaccine uses the same vaccine design as the AstraZeneca one, it is not surprising, it may have similar rare side effects.

    Most vaccines have some rare side effects. I have seen nothing so far to suggest these vaccines are more risky than usual. For example, the risk of paralysis from the polio vaccine is rather similar to the risk of these rare blood clots with the AstraZeneca vaccine, somewhere between one in million and one in a hundred thousand.

    So I don't see this as bad news for the world, as yet. I would agree it would be, if the incidence is shown to be higher than what I've indicated. That would start to tilt the balance of risk between vaccination and death or serious illness from the virus, among some groups, especially younger people.
     
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    What evidence do you have that this has been known for a while now? And what evidence do you have that anyone has been slow to react?

    It's easy to chuck these cheap, cynical remarks around, but I think you ought to justify them.
     
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    I do wish that people would put this in perspective. The odds of death if one gets the Covid virus is roughly one in a hundred. The odds of death for the vaccine appears to be one in a million.

    Which one is a bigger threat?
     
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  7. Left Coast

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    Totally agree that incidence of these serious side effects is very rare. I meant that this was bad news in the sense that it will delay more people having access to a vaccine.
     
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    hmm, I get my vaccine tomorrow morning 24 hours from now. I was hoping it would be the JJ vaccine, just to get it all done in one fell swoop. They halted it at federal, but not state levels at this point, and it appears to affect a rare number of people, and those who are women between 18 and 48 years old, and I'm a guy older than that. We'll see when I get there.
     
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  9. Left Coast

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    Let us know how it goes! :)
     
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    Its curious all were women and in the same age range. Wonder if they were on the birth control pill which warns of blood clots. My daughter had an appointment today for the J&J vaccine but they notified her it was cancelled.
     
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    Based on those figures, don't you think they'd save more lives by banning guns and cars?
     
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  12. Thief

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    we ARE the guinea pigs
     
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    No we aren't. That's why they do clinical trials ahead of time. Those in the trial phase are more the guinea pigs than the rest of us. They don't release it until it's been tested first.
     
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    I found an NPR report.....

    The odds of dying after getting a COVID-19 vaccine are virtually nonexistent.

    According to recent data from the Centers For Disease Control and Prevention, you're three times more likely to get struck by lightning.
    But you might not know that from looking at your social media feed.
    A new NPR analysis finds that articles connecting vaccines and death have been among the most highly engaged with content online this year, going viral in a way that could hinder people's ability to judge the true risk in getting a shot.
    The findings also illustrate a broader trend in online misinformation: With social media platforms making more of an effort to take down patently false health claims, bad actors are turning to cherry-picked truths to drive misleading narratives.
    Experts say these storylines are much harder for companies to moderate, though they can have the same net effect of creating a distorted and false view of the world.
    "It's a really insidious problem," said Deen Freelon, a communications professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "The social media companies have taken a hard line against disinformation; they have not taken a similarly hard line against fallacies."
     
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    of course.....some of us have different beliefs

    I am not likely to take the shot
     
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    here is one example.....
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    Vaccine fails to curb Covid for 246 people in U.S. midwest state



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    LANSING, Michigan: Michigan health officials report that there have been 246 cases of fully vaccinated people contracting COVID-19.
    Three of these people have died.
    "These are individuals who have had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series," said Lynn Sutfin, a spokesperson for the state health department.
    However, officials noted that of the 246 people, some had contracted the coronavirus before being vaccinated and continued to test positive two weeks after being inoculated.
    Of 117 people of the vaccinated people who contracted the Covid virus, 11 required hospitalization.​
     
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    It's been known a month ago and it was kept on the market. Only later when it was called out production stopped.

    AstraZeneca finds no evidence of increased blood clot risk from vaccine

    You need to be more aware of these thing before using terms like cheap and cynical comments. Your embarrassing yourself.
     
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    shall I post news interviews of nurses?......waiting to see what happens to patients
    before making a choice about the shot
     
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    New York Post....
    NEWS

    Alarming number of US health care workers are refusing COVID-19 vaccine


    January 1, 2021 | 10:36pm | Updated
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    A nurse prepares to inject a health care worker with the COVID-19 vaccine.
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    US health care workers are first in line to receive the COVID-19 vaccine — but an alarming number across the country are refusing to do so.
    Earlier this week, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine disclosed that about 60 percent of the nursing home workers in his state have so far chosen not to get vaccinated.
    More than half of New York City’s EMS workers have shown skepticism, The Post reported last month.
    And now California and Texas are experiencing a high rate of health care worker refusals, according to reports.
    An estimated 50 percent of front-line workers in Riverside County in the Golden State opted against the drug, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing public health officials.
    More than half of the hospital workers at California’s St. Elizabeth Community Hospital who were eligible to receive the vaccine did not, the newspaper.
    And in the Lone Star State, a doctor at Houston Memorial Medical Center told NPR earlier this month that half the nurses in the facility would not get the vaccine, citing political reasons.
    The excuse shared by the Texas nurses was echoed in a recent Kaiser Family Foundation survey that found 29 percent of health workers were “vaccine hesitant,” the Times reported.
    Survey respondents leaning against taking the vaccine said, among other reasons, that they were concerned how politics influenced the development of the vaccine, the newspaper reported.
    A nurse at a California hospital, who chose to not take the vaccine because she is pregnant, said her co-workers who chose the same path as she believe they don’t need the vaccine to make it through the pandemic.
    “I feel people think, ‘I can still make it until this ends without getting the vaccine,’” April Lu, a 31-year-old nurse at Providence Holy Cross Medical Center, told the Times.
    A high percentage of vaccine refusal among not just health care workers, but the general population, could be problematic, Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch told the newspaper.
     
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