Jumi
Well-Known Member
You can't prove that there aren't multiple hells either, perhaps there are 1000s of them and an infinite of heavens and paradises. But who will go? Can you prove you will visit one of them...
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I just want not to suffer. Or for what I have done I must suffer?
I am confused. Can I hope I will avoid hell or it is impossible and everyone goes through it except some saints?
Earthling
David Henson
That is quite simple, Oleh - don't indulge in evil deeds and fulfill your familial, social and nationl duties - you will be well-rewarded in heven. That is irrespective of your faith and belief. Hinduism is an absolutely fair religion. Same treatment to all.
I thought that the Hindu version of hell was more about purification than punishment.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is not much of a problem. Kindly refrain from doing evil things from now on, do not torture yourself because of that, do some extra good things in trying to nullify the effects of your bad deeds. Hindus have hells (Narka - Naraka (Hinduism) - Wikipedia) of various kinds. Not every one burns till eternity, actually no one ever does. Some hells are as easy as the Scandinavian prisons. At the end of your sentence, you are given a new birth to get it better till you finally pass the divine examination.But I have already done bad things.
That is true for Hinduism. The good deeds and the bad ones are not squared up. One has to suffer for the bad deeds, only that the punishment is lighter if there are good deeds also.
You may ignore 'karma' but do not ignore 'Dharma' (Fulfillment of your duties and engaging in righteous action).Just ignore karma altogether and get on with your life.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You are always welcome.
You can also not prove that God/Gods exists/exist. In that case who will give you punishment? You have also not proved that hell/hells exists. Why then, worry about them? But one can get out of this by refusing to believe in soul, God, heaven, hell, rebirth, deliverance, etc. I follow an atheistic form of of Hinduism (Advaita). I have abandoned all these views, and am completely happy and fearless.
Well, 999 out of 1000 will go to hell, that is what Jesus said. At one time God brought on floods, another time he cursed the cities. Even in his commandment, he says he would punish your children up to three or four generations for your fault. That does not show that God has much love for people.
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Audie
Veteran Member
You are looking around, to choose what to
believe?
Choosing to believe is just self -deception.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That was Shishupala, the adversary of Krishna. Krishna forgave him a hundred times as that was his promise to Shishupala's mother, but killed Shishupala when he abused him for a hundred and one time. But as you say, Shishupala went straight to heaven because awake or sleeping he was always thinking of Krishna.
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BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Please get some professional help and counseling. Life is an adventure made to be enjoyed. You shouldn't live in fear.
As a Christian, I can tell you the Bible explains how Jesus came to take away the sin/karma/punishment of the world, God loving everyone so much He was tortured to death on a cross to pay our sin. He then rose from the dead in triumph. As the Bible puts it, anyone who trusts Jesus for eternal life has salvation and freedom from many kinds of fears and anxieties.
Well there's always Christianity. Jesus suffered/paid for your sins.
Not my cup of tea. I don't want others paying for any penalties I incur but it's the route that many choose.
If you realize that how we treat others is simply a projection of how we treat ourselves, then to practice compassion for others leads to the ultimate realization it is ourselves we have to forgive and love. To practice it with others, shows us that we can learn how to show grace to ourselves too. Starting with ourselves, is the hardest place to start for most.
Feelings of guilt will not lead you into feelings of joy. Self-forgiveness and holding yourself with love will. You can overcome these negatives, through embracing positives. Don't give your power away to fear, guilt, and shame.
These do not define you. The fact you do not like these things, shows you already have a higher Light operating in you. Embrace that instead. Let that define you. It all comes down to your choice. Both options are available to you. Which would you rather experience in your life? The prison of fear, or the Freedom of Love?
Even saints go through or went through "hell" if one is inclined to believe in such concepts of course. I mean "hell" is what you make of it, really. Some argue that existence on earth is the true hell, for we are seperate from God/Cosmos/Universe. The Hindu version is less about suffering (since one suffers in life anyway) and more about purifying your soul for another whack at things.
It is pretty much. You do some time, then away you go to try again. If one is inclined to believe in Samsara. Serious bad deeds might earn one a bit of extra fire perhaps.
I recall one amusing incident when I was a kid. The RE teacher taught us of hell during school. So naturally I went to ask my family more questions. The way they explained it made it seem more like a time out. So I was quite indifferent to all subsequent RE teachings trying to make hell seem as scary as possible.
What's RE?It is pretty much. You do some time, then away you go to try again. If one is inclined to believe in Samsara. Serious bad deeds might earn one a bit of extra fire perhaps.
I recall one amusing incident when I was a kid. The RE teacher taught us of hell during school. So naturally I went to ask my family more questions. The way they explained it made it seem more like a time out. So I was quite indifferent to all subsequent RE teachings trying to make hell seem as scary as possible.
Religious Education. (Read Christianity.)
I don't personally agree with its continued usage in public schools though. Was more like an interruption. Now world religious studies on the other hand were far more interesting.
Thanks. Minorities, or in some cases majorities can have a lot of confusion from those classes I'm sure.
It's more annoying than anything else really.
I once had a history teacher who encouraged us all to bring in notes from home excusing us so she didn't have to lose a lesson leading up to a test. Didn't work. Though she let a lot of bad behaviour slide during said RE class just out of spite lol!
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
How did you ever get to the point where you think karma is some kind of crazy cosmic scorecard?
This is what I have read in the Internet.