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Ayran is synonymous with Sanskrit, and what all happened to the people who speak the Tamil language

River Sea

Well-Known Member
"Oh"-thun is the more accurate pronunciation imo.

ie Othan

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@The Hammer

About the song in the video @The Hammer shared, click to expand quote to see video: I'm understanding that the timeline of Othan was around c. 790–c. 1100 CE. CE is an abbreviation for Common Era. It means the same as AD (Anno Domini). I looked online.

What is the interpretation in English and the meaning of video?

Screenshot of video I notice "as above, so below." That's from one arm upward and the other arm downward. Am I understanding correctly?

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The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
@The Hammer

About the song in the video @The Hammer shared, click to expand quote to see video: I'm understanding that the timeline of Othan was around c. 790–c. 1100 CE. CE is an abbreviation for Common Era. It means the same as AD (Anno Domini). I looked online.

What is the interpretation in English and the meaning of video?

Screenshot of video I notice "as above, so below." That's from one arm upward and the other arm downward. Am I understanding correctly?

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It's just a verse from the Havamal meant to embolden warriors. Some of the Songs Odin learned.

"An eleventh I know, | if needs I must lead
To the fight my
long-loved friends;
I sing in the shields, | and in strength they go
Whole to the field of fight,
Whole from the field of fight,
And whole they come thence home."


"A fifth I know,
If I see from afar
An arrow fly 'gainst the folk;
It flies not so swift
That I stop it not,
If ever my eyes behold it"

[Hariuha laþu laukar gakar alu ole lule laukar]
Þat kann ek it ellifta:
ef ek skal til orrostu
leiða langvini,
und randir ek gel,
en þeir með ríki fara
heilir hildar til,
heilir hildi frá,
koma þeir heilir hvaðan.
Þat kann ek it fimmta:
ef ek sé af fári skotinn
flein í folki vaða,
fýgr-a hann svá stinnt,
at ek stöðvig-a-k,
ef ek hann sjónum of sék.
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
@Aupmanyav You explained you are Kashmiri Brahmin. Your descent probably is from the Kamboja tribe, which merged with the Aryans. The line is from a Kamboja sage, Upamanyu.

I'm using Merge from now on. What letters are used for merge?

(I'm using modern words when I write)

OIT theory: means only Indians in India, and later Indians left India.
AIT theory: means people from out of India invaded India.

What are the letters for people out of India who merge in with Indians in India?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
They termed themselves as 'Aryans' and 'Pancha janas' (five tribes).
Traditionally the five tribes were Anu, Druhyu, Puru, Turvasa and Yadu.
Kambojas had not yet arrived.

So off topic question how the heck did "Aryan" become associated with Nazism and "white supremacy "?

Edit: Partially answered my own question


"The Aryan race is a pseudoscientific historical race concept that emerged in the late-19th century to describe people who descend from the Proto-Indo-Europeans as a racial grouping.[1][2] The terminology derives from the historical usage of Aryan, used by modern Indo-Iranians as an epithet of "noble". Anthropological, historical, and archaeological evidence does not support the validity of this concept.[3][4]

The concept derives from the notion that the original speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language were distinct progenitors of a superior specimen of humankind,[5][6] and that their descendants up to the present day constitute either a distinctive race or a sub-race of the Caucasian race, alongside the Semitic race and the Hamitic race.[7] This taxonomic approach to categorizing human population groups is now considered to be misguided and biologically meaningless due to the close genetic similarity and complex interrelationships between these groups.[8][9][10]"

 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
So off topic question how the heck did "Aryan" become associated with Nazism and "white supremacy "?

"The Aryan race is a pseudoscientific historical race concept that emerged in the late-19th century to describe people who descend from the Proto-Indo-Europeans as a racial grouping. The terminology derives from the historical usage of Aryan, used by modern Indo-Iranians as an epithet of "noble". Anthropological, historical, and archaeological evidence does not support the validity of this concept.

The concept derives from the notion that the original speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language were distinct progenitors of a superior specimen of humankind, and that their descendants up to the present day constitute either a distinctive race or a sub-race of the Caucasian race, alongside the Semitic race and the Hamitic race. This taxonomic approach to categorizing human population groups is now considered to be misguided and biologically meaningless due to the close genetic similarity and complex interrelationships between these groups."

The question should be addressed to Neo-Nazis since Adolphe or Joseph are no longer around.
There is nothing 'scientific' about Aryans as a race, they were a people. A look at DNA analysis can surprise every person.
The Jews (most Nobel laureates), the Chinese, the Japanese also have done extremely well.
US and China got equal number of Olympic gold medals (40), Japan was third with 20.
The rest all what you say is OK. :)
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
The question should be addressed to Neo-Nazis since Adolphe or Joseph are no longer around.
There is nothing 'scientific' about Aryans as a race, they were a people. A look at DNA analysis can surprise every person.
The Jews (most Nobel laureates), the Chinese, the Japanese also have done extremely well.
US and China got equal number of Olympic gold medals (40), Japan was third with 20.
The rest all what you say is OK. :)

I could be wrong with this thinking as I process this. Keep that in mind. I learn when wrong as well.

@Aupmanyav I wonder if you move to Germany and announce to people you are Aryan, you might not be able to have this same freedom to use the word Aryan as you do in India, due to the word Aryan having been stolen. Can people in Germany use the word Aryan? Also, if I understand correctly, Germany has fallen under Abrahamic control, as some of their taxes go to the Abrahamic religion called Christianity.

Has Germany fallen to the Abrahamic religion, as Jealous YHWH trample over this area, and when? It happened in India (lost some land, how come?); however, Pakistan doesn't use the YHWH name, so how would Jealous YHWH be within Pakistan then? Who's the Jealous YHWH in Pakistan as Pakistan is of Abrahamic religion?

Germany lost all their land to the Abrahamic religions because people paid some of their taxes to the Abrahamic YHWH. Through Christianity, which is also Jealous, how come? How come Germany can't pay taxes to the Norse? German is now called Abrahamic land because Abrahamic religion YHWH took their land and got some of their taxes. Please help me understand how Germany has fallen to YHWH, who is Jealous.

If I understand correctly, @The Hammer
What happened to Norse thinking? Is it because Germany had fallen to Abrahamic Jealous YHWH? Was Norse thinking less than YHWH?

How come to whom has stolen this word (Aryan) couldn't have come up with their own word? How many other words were stolen?

What is the difference between stolen words and borrowing loanwords?

About India:
I'm still not sure if I'm for or against Gandhi. Was Gandhi fallen for YHWH, who's Jealous, or has Gandhi not fallen for YHWH, who's Jealous? Is Gandhi an Aryan or not Aryan? To those who have fallen for YHWH who's Jealous, are you Jealous?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
If I understand correctly, @The Hammer
What happened to Norse thinking? Is it because Germany had fallen to Abrahamic Jealous YHWH? Was Norse thinking less than YHWH?
The Norse and Germany have nothing in common besides root language.

As for the rest of what you wrote? :shrug:
Gonna have to pass on dissecting that.
 

River Sea

Well-Known Member
Wadi Hammamat is "The Land of Havilah" that is described in Genesis 2. The river that "encircles" or borders this "Land of Havilah" is the Nile.

Why in Egypt? There is an understanding that Egypt traded with India 5-6 thousand years ago.

Who in India? We do not know for certain, only that trade did occur between the two groups.

How did they trade? Indians built ships, and I believe they would follow the coast of the Arabian Gulf, travel up the Red Sea and visit the port on one side of the Wadi Hammamat. Once they unload their goods on the Rea Sea port, the ships travel back to India.

@GoodAttention
How did they trade when having different languages? Were there interpreters? Did the interpreters cause the borrowed loanwords to happen? Indians built ships? What were these ships built from, and how did they run these ships? Did they burn wood to cause the turning of to move the ship, similar to how trains are run, or did they sail these ships? Are ships called sailboats? Later in this post, I learned yes, ships are called sailboats, and they use wind.


I only use photos to see boats, ships, and sailboats. There are some Tamil words if you click to go to this Quora post. Thread Called: What are the Tamil words for ships and boats?

Boat.
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Boat.
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Boat
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What is the difference between a sailboat and a ship?

What about an ark? How do people run an ark?

Uses wind to sail a ship that's a sailboat. So that means a sailboat is a ship.

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Boat
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River Sea

Well-Known Member
They termed themselves as 'Aryans' and 'Pancha janas' (five tribes).
Traditionally the five tribes were Anu, Druhyu, Puru, Turvasa and Yadu.
Kambojas had not yet arrived.

What did I find? When looking up Kambojas? Can I tell when reading if this post is OIT theory or AIT theory or unknown letters for merge or none of these theories? I'm going to read it now, and I'll let you know which theory or none of these theories this post is written about. I'll post my thoughts below this reading. Can I do this? Do I have the abilities to do this? We will find out.


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Post from Kamboj kaum

Kamboj kaum

History of Great Kamboh & Kamboj Caste:
Kamboja or Kamvoja is a kingdom grouped among the western kingdoms in the epic Mahabharata. Western kingdoms were cold countries and people used blankets. They also reared sheep and drank sheep milk. Kamboja Horses were of excellent quality. Their horses and even horsemen were used in the wars between kings of Aryavarta (North Indian kingdoms where Vedic culture of the norm, prevailed). Their soldiers used to aid both the parties engaged in a battle on a payment basis. In the Kurukshetra War, there were Kamboja soldiers on both Pandava side and Kaurava side. In the epic Mahabharata, Kamboja is sometimes referred to as a republic or a kingless country where elected chiefs among the people ruled the country. A kingless country is othervise called Arashtra or Aratta. This name is sometimes collectively used to denote many other western kingdoms like Madra, Kekeya and Gandhara. Another collective name denoting the western kingdoms is Bahika ( Vahika, Vahlika, Bahlika or Vahika) meaning outsider. This is to denote that their culture was outside or different from the Vedic culture, prevailed in the Kuru, Panchala and other kingdoms of the Gangatic plain. The Kamboja country closest to Aryavarta was the one with Rajapura as its capital, which is identified as Rajauri of Kashmir. Other than this country, the epic mentions about a Kamboja close to Darada Kingdom, an eastern Kamboja and a Parama Kamboja country in the far north, all famous for excellent breeds of horses. Another country Aswaka (the horse country) also is related to Kamboja, being either a province of Parama Kamboja or a neighbouring country. Some historians believes that Afganistan is a name derived from the name Aswaka Stana meaning, the land of horses. A clan of tribess called Kinnaras were believed to be the Kamboja horse warriors. Kinnaras were described to be horse-headed humans. This could be an
exaggeration of their extra ordinary skill in cavelry warfare. In Kali Yuga, Kambojas had many colonial states in central India, inculding the Asmaka or Aswaka of Maharashtra state. Cambodia, a modern country of South East Asia, is another colony of Kambojas during the time of recorded history. The word Kam can mean 'woolen cloth' (Kambala), denoting the dress of the people. Another meaning of the word Kam is 'place' or 'region'. It is surprising to note that there are many places in Asia, Europe and especially around Mount Meru of Tanzania in Africa with the word Kam in it, denoting the meaning place or region, hinting towards the African origin of human beings (homo sapiens).

Capital: Rajapura (Rajauri, Kashmir)
References in Mahabharata

Among the tribes of the north are the Mlecchas, and the Kruras, the Yavanas, the Chinas, the Kamvojas, the Darunas, and many Mleccha tribes; the Sukritvahas, the Kulatthas, the Hunas, and the Parasikas; the Ramanas, and the Dasamalikas. Kamboja mentioned as a kingdom in ancient India (Bharata Varsha). (6,9)

The migration of Kambojas

The Yamas, Kamvojas, Gandharas, Kiratas and Barbaras. All of them were characterised by practices alien to the normal culture. In the Krita age they were nowhere on earth. It is from the Treta that they have had their origin and began to multiply. When the terrible period came, joining Treta and the Dwapara, the Kshatriyas, approaching one another, engaged themselves in battle. (12,206)

I read the post.
My response. Well, towards the bottom of the post, it did claim migration of Kambojas, but I can't tell which theory or none of the theories, because I saw the word battle, war further up the post with other words. However, are these people out of India, yet maybe not out of India because maybe there are no borders then as of the more area of land that India covered? I still wonder if naming comes from what type of soil, and if soil of land changes, then change the name to help with navigation. I don't know the answer to which theory or none of the theories.


What do you think the answer is?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
@Aupmanyav I wonder if you move to Germany and announce to people you are Aryan, you might not be able to have this same freedom to use the word Aryan as you do in India, due to the word Aryan having been stolen. Can people in Germany use the word Aryan?

What is the difference between stolen words and borrowing loanwords?

About India: I'm still not sure if I'm for or against Gandhi. Was Gandhi fallen for YHWH, who's Jealous, or has Gandhi not fallen for YHWH, who's Jealous? Is Gandhi an Aryan or not Aryan? To those who have fallen for YHWH who's Jealous, are you Jealous?
Whether they love it or hate it, Europeans have mixed with Ind-Europeans and speak variations of Indo-Europian language.
:) For sometime, I was a member of SKADI, a neo-Nazi forum, but they did not like my kind of Aryan-ness. I was kicked out.
If they want, they can use it, without making it Nazi.
European history is a different question and has its own forum.

:) Borrowing is OK, it may show that the other person trusts you to give something of his/her own. Stealing is a moral and legal crime.

Gandhi believed in mixing up things (I don't). Gandhi may have had some Aryan admixture. In ancient India, Gujarat was considered one of the five Dravidian regions. Kutch/Gujarat have had migrations from Baluchistan and Sistan, Iran.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
@River Sea , I said get your information from WIKIPEDIA and not from FACEBOOK.

However, I differ with the Wikipedia introduction:
"The Kambojas were a southeastern Iranian people[a] who inhabited the northeastern most part of the territory populated by Iranian tribes, which bordered the Indian lands."

If they were southeastern Iranians, how come they are mentioned in northwestern most part of India, Gandhara and Kashmir. That is a dichotomy. IMHO, Kambojas were Central Asians.

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GoodAttention

Active Member
@GoodAttention
How did they trade when having different languages? Were there interpreters? Did the interpreters cause the borrowed loanwords to happen? Indians built ships? What were these ships built from, and how did they run these ships? Did they burn wood to cause the turning of to move the ship, similar to how trains are run, or did they sail these ships? Are ships called sailboats? Later in this post, I learned yes, ships are called sailboats, and they use wind.


I only use photos to see boats, ships, and sailboats. There are some Tamil words if you click to go to this Quora post. Thread Called: What are the Tamil words for ships and boats?

Boat.
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Boat.
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Boat
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What is the difference between a sailboat and a ship?

What about an ark? How do people run an ark?

Uses wind to sail a ship that's a sailboat. So that means a sailboat is a ship.

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Boat
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I think small fishing boats got more sophisticated, as well as metallurgy which would have been essential. Trade would have been easy then, I think people bought and sold how ever much they could carry, and if you make enough effort you can learn another's language.

Rather than currency, I would imagine time was of the essence, and protecting the traders also. It would have been a very close collaboration.

I think the currency used was actually sea shells!

In Tamil there are many but one is கப்பல் (Kappal)

I believe one word in Hebrew is (kibul) קִבּוּל
 
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River Sea

Well-Known Member
I think the currency used was actually sea shells!

@GoodAttention
Very interesting to use seashells for currency. Were there people whose occupation was to gather seashells so that others could use them as currency? Do you know what this occupation was called? Or were they called traders? Because they're gathering seashells, which are the actual source of currency. Is this before trading happens, so these people are called what?

I think small fishing boats got more sophisticated, as well as metallurgy which would have been essential. Trade would have been easy then, I think people bought and sold how ever much they could carry, and if you make enough effort you can learn another's language.

Rather than currency, I would imagine time was of the essence, and protecting the traders also. It would have been a very close collaboration.

@GoodAttention

At first you explained traders would be easy, then you explained traders needed to be protected.

You wrote, "I would imagine time was of the essence, and protecting the traders also." What does this mean protecting the traders, from what?

How does time of the essence protect the traders?

How does metallurgy make it easier on the traders compared to before using metallurgies, such as using seashells for currency, so during the time of using seashells as currency, traders needed to be protected?

Can you show me why this is? How did metallurgy make it safer for the traders?
 
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